Black jack pershing

#1
Posted this elsewhere(ghurka kukri)

Not sure if this is historical fact, if true it must have caused one hell of a political stink around the world,i cannot be arsed to research it, but i do know this guy had a helluva reputation for being a mean son of a bitch.

Probably would not go down well now a days!!
 
#2
Posted this elsewhere(ghurka kukri)

Not sure if this is historical fact, if true it must have caused one hell of a political stink around the world,i cannot be arsed to research it, but i do know this guy had a helluva reputation for being a mean son of a bitch.

Probably would not go down well now a days!!
I doubt it raised many eyebrows. Most of the vexation was probably over the question of whether them was niggers or chinee.
 
#8
IIRC, the original nickname bestowed on yer man by his fellow officers was Nigger Jack, due to his serving with the 10th cavalry.
 
#9
The real question is: "where do we find people stupid enough to make this shit up"
 
#10
It is of course bollocks but it's also inaccurate bollocks. 42 years would take us into the 50s. I'm sure a few folk would dispute the 'not a single Muslim terrorist attack' bit.

But of course they're not Americans and therefore don't count. I keep forgetting.
 
#12
Pershing's own role in the Philippine insurrection of 1899-1902 saw him promoted from Captain to Brigadier-General,
estimates of Philippinos killed vary greatly from 100,000 to 1 million.
It may also be apposite to point out that this General refused to deploy the US forces in to the frontline in France,
with a few exceptions [some negro units under French command] until he reached the magical million man mark
- nigh on a year since the first doughboys disembarked.
Thereby putting undue strain on both British & French allies.
 
#13
Pershing's own role in the Philippine insurrection of 1899-1902 saw him promoted from Captain to Brigadier-General,
estimates of Philoppinos killed vary greatly from 100,000 to 1 million.
It may also be apposite to point out that this General refused to deploy the US forces in to the frontline in France,
with a few exceptions [some negro units under French command] until he reached the magical million man mark
- nigh on a year since the first doughboys disembarked.
Thereby putting undue strain on both British & French allies.
Not disputing your facts, but didn't we manage for a few years without Gen Pershing?

To be fair, I think he was the one who said that if we didn't decisively defeat the Germans we would have to do it again 20 years later before the armistice?
 
#14
Well spotted that man..
Aye, Internet bollocks at its finest.

Snopes gives more details. Pershing seems to have been an eminently sensible man who sought to avoid violence if possible.

snopes.com: Pershing and Pigs

However, ISTR that he was opposed to the Armistice at the end of WW1, wanting to pursure the war until an unconditional German surrender and the occupation of Berlin since he believed there would otherwise be a repeat performance within 20 years.

PS I should have read all of the post above. Tut.
 
#15
This egregious black pr
However, ISTR that he was opposed to the Armistice at the end of WW1, wanting to pursure the war until an unconditional German surrender and the occupation of Berlin since he believed there would otherwise be a repeat performance within 20 years.
This egregious black propaganda helps no one beyond those who wish to perpetuate strife with islam.
Re Pershing's opposition to the Armistice - well he could afford to, having finally committed his forces to the fight in the September of 1918, two months prior to the ending of hostilities.
 

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#16
This egregious black propaganda helps no one beyond those who wish to perpetuate strife with islam.
Re Pershing's opposition to the Armistice - well he could afford to, having finally committed his forces to the fight in the September of 1918, two months prior to the ending of hostilities.
There was a programe on with Michael Palin which stated they suffered a shedload of casualties right at the end of the war as commanders attacked to make sure they had built up their own reputation
In one battle they attacked a town on rumors that it had baths and the Germans were actually waving them back as it was about 10:58
 
#17
There was a programe on with Michael Palin which stated they suffered a shedload of casualties right at the end of the war as commanders attacked to make sure they had built up their own reputation
In one battle they attacked a town on rumors that it had baths and the Germans were actually waving them back as it was about 10:58
Indeed, it cost about 350 lives as I remember it, for a bath!!
 
#18
This egregious black propaganda helps no one beyond those who wish to perpetuate strife with islam.
Re Pershing's opposition to the Armistice - well he could afford to, having finally committed his forces to the fight in the September of 1918, two months prior to the ending of hostilities.
You would do well to read a little more widely.
 
#19
Pershing's own role in the Philippine insurrection of 1899-1902 saw him promoted from Captain to Brigadier-General,
estimates of Philippinos killed vary greatly from 100,000 to 1 million.
It may also be apposite to point out that this General refused to deploy the US forces in to the frontline in France,
with a few exceptions [some negro units under French command] until he reached the magical million man mark
- nigh on a year since the first doughboys disembarked.
Thereby putting undue strain on both British & French allies.
Lets air some mistakes

1). Pershings substantive rank in the Phillipines was Captain. He was Promoted to Substantive Brigadier General by Teddy Roosevelt in 1905 over 835 other senior officers while he was in the USA and after assignment as an observer in the Russo-Japanese War. Roosevelt had tried for 2 years to get Pershing Promoted to Major, the Army refused and since Roosevelt could only nominate officers to flag rank, did so.

2). Pershing wanted the United States Army to fight as a cohesive force, not as individual replacements in the the French Army or British Army. You know just like the British didnt want to fight as part of the French Army?

3). Undue strain? I would have thought the French Mutiny of 49 Infantry divisions (out of an Army of 113 Divisions)had a far greater effect/strain on British operations since British units had to fight to ease pressure off the French. Petain stopped all offensive actions As well British Authorities refused to use shipping for the AEF transport to France unless our men were to be used as replacements in your units.

On November 3, 1917, Cpl. James Bethel Gresham of Evansville, Indiana, Pvt. Thomas F. Enright of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania and Pvt. Merle D. Hay of Glidden, Iowa were killed in trenches atop a bald hill three kilometers northeast of the village Bathelemont. In this pre-dawn German raid, Gresham became the first enlisted American soldier to die in World War I.
 
#20
It is of course bollocks but it's also inaccurate bollocks. 42 years would take us into the 50s. I'm sure a few folk would dispute the 'not a single Muslim terrorist attack' bit.

But of course they're not Americans and therefore don't count. I keep forgetting.
Ah, yes--it is only the evil jingoistic Americans who would have such views........
 

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