Black Africa reverts to form...

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South Africa's top prosecutor says there is enough evidence to charge the new leader of the governing party, Jacob Zuma, with corruption.
The case was dropped last year due to lack of evidence so it looks like they've found more to charge him.

What is it with Black African politicians, to a man or woman they are corrupt as hell. Its not just that though, they leave a trail of fcuk ups behind them that just destroys nations.

I loved this bit though

and after more than a decade of stability, everything seems in flux.
Who are they kidding?

More here.
 
#2
Africa needs to be left to it's own devices. No more Aid of any sort, it nearly all goes in someones back pocket
 
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Ord_Sgt said:
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, to a man or woman they are corrupt as hell. Its not just that though, they leave a trail of fcuk ups behind them that just destroys nations.

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They have something in common with OUR politicians then, don't they :? :D
 
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Mind you the Africans deserve all they get I suppose. I mean Zuma is already known for his corruption so they vote him in as party leader and almost definitely country leader in due course. Fcuk em.
 
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In evolutionary terms Africa (although it is not alone in this respect) is far behind the curve when compared to the First World and elms of the Second/Third World.

It has fallen behind in physical development, but cannot improve on this as there is a complete lack of intellectual development, and absence of a moral and spiritual compass, across vast swathes of the continent.

In terms of intellectual development it has very few seats of learning and indigineous scholars; it has limited R & D; no political tradition except that which remains from colonialism, much of which has now been replaced by ju-ju-based governance.

In terms of the moral compass; corruption, bribery, nepotism is rife; there is no concept of welfare or humanity (except that provided by the Church); volunteering does not exist except where there is scope to gouge benefit for the volunteer; and individual well-being always take precedence over nation building.

Sustainment of both intellectual and moral development is normally aided by things spiritual. Christinanity has assisted in this, but it is limited, and there is no real benefit provided by current alternatives provided by the scattering of goats bones, and other esoteric rituals, as a means of gaining sprititual guidance and comfort.

Can this be improved. In short no, not without either re-colonising the continent or by redrawing national boundaries, as the real problem that Africa wrestles with is its Fourth World status (defined as widely unknown nations (cultural entities) of indigenous peoples, living within or across national state boundaries). There can never be consensus or fairness whilst this Fourth World situation endures.

In summary, a permanant basket case, and one on which we should waste no further time or money.
 
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moving-target-survivor said:
pombsen-armchair-warrior said:
and one on which we should waste no further time or money.
….until hoards of disaffected Africans march on Europe :x
Yeah but to put a good spin on that think of the defence budget increase :D

I think PAW sums it up rather nicely.
 

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pombsen-armchair-warrior said:
In evolutionary terms Africa (although it is not alone in this respect) is far behind the curve when compared to the First World and elms of the Second/Third World.

It has fallen behind in physical development, but cannot improve on this as there is a complete lack of intellectual development, and absence of a moral and spiritual compass, across vast swathes of the continent.

In terms of intellectual development it has very few seats of learning and indigineous scholars; it has limited R & D; no political tradition except that which remains from colonialism, much of which has now been replaced by ju-ju-based governance.

In terms of the moral compass; corruption, bribery, nepotism is rife; there is no concept of welfare or humanity (except that provided by the Church); volunteering does not exist except where there is scope to gouge benefit for the volunteer; and individual well-being always take precedence over nation building.

Sustainment of both intellectual and moral development is normally aided by things spiritual. Christinanity has assisted in this, but it is limited, and there is no real benefit provided by current alternatives provided by the scattering of goats bones, and other esoteric rituals, as a means of gaining sprititual guidance and comfort.

Can this be improved. In short no, not without either re-colonising the continent or by redrawing national boundaries, as the real problem that Africa wrestles with is its Fourth World status (defined as widely unknown nations (cultural entities) of indigenous peoples, living within or across national state boundaries). There can never be consensus or fairness whilst this Fourth World situation endures.

In summary, a permanant basket case, and one on which we should waste no further time or money.
Everything you say is true - but something about place effects and moves everyone who has spent any serious time there deeply.....
 
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Ord_Sgt said:
South Africa's top prosecutor says there is enough evidence to charge the new leader of the governing party, Jacob Zuma, with corruption.
The case was dropped last year due to lack of evidence so it looks like they've found more to charge him.

What is it with Black African politicians, to a man or woman they are corrupt as hell. Its not just that though, they leave a trail of fcuk ups behind them that just destroys nations.

I loved this bit though

and after more than a decade of stability, everything seems in flux.
Who are they kidding?

More here.
Yeah, because our politicians are all paradigms of virtue. :?
 
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Tom_of_Bedlam said:
Ord_Sgt said:
South Africa's top prosecutor says there is enough evidence to charge the new leader of the governing party, Jacob Zuma, with corruption.
The case was dropped last year due to lack of evidence so it looks like they've found more to charge him.

What is it with Black African politicians, to a man or woman they are corrupt as hell. Its not just that though, they leave a trail of fcuk ups behind them that just destroys nations.

I loved this bit though

and after more than a decade of stability, everything seems in flux.
Who are they kidding?

More here.
Yeah, because our politicians are all paradigms of virtue. :?

Paragons, surely?
 
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Alsacien said:
pombsen-armchair-warrior said:
In evolutionary terms Africa (although it is not alone in this respect) is far behind the curve when compared to the First World and elms of the Second/Third World.

It has fallen behind in physical development, but cannot improve on this as there is a complete lack of intellectual development, and absence of a moral and spiritual compass, across vast swathes of the continent.

In terms of intellectual development it has very few seats of learning and indigineous scholars; it has limited R & D; no political tradition except that which remains from colonialism, much of which has now been replaced by ju-ju-based governance.

In terms of the moral compass; corruption, bribery, nepotism is rife; there is no concept of welfare or humanity (except that provided by the Church); volunteering does not exist except where there is scope to gouge benefit for the volunteer; and individual well-being always take precedence over nation building.

Sustainment of both intellectual and moral development is normally aided by things spiritual. Christinanity has assisted in this, but it is limited, and there is no real benefit provided by current alternatives provided by the scattering of goats bones, and other esoteric rituals, as a means of gaining sprititual guidance and comfort.

Can this be improved. In short no, not without either re-colonising the continent or by redrawing national boundaries, as the real problem that Africa wrestles with is its Fourth World status (defined as widely unknown nations (cultural entities) of indigenous peoples, living within or across national state boundaries). There can never be consensus or fairness whilst this Fourth World situation endures.

In summary, a permanant basket case, and one on which we should waste no further time or money.
Everything you say is true - but something about place effects and moves everyone who has spent any serious time there deeply.....
Bollox the place is a sh1t hole of the first order. Full of filth with rubbish piled up on the pavements. Poor or no sanitation, the people couldn't care less and are happy to live in the foetid sh1te because they have no pride or self respect. A complete lack of respect for fellow humans beings or indeed life itself.

Granted its got a few nice bits but then again so does Birmingham. So stop trying to get all romantic about the place because its not.
 

Alsacien

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Ord_Sgt said:
Alsacien said:
pombsen-armchair-warrior said:
In evolutionary terms Africa (although it is not alone in this respect) is far behind the curve when compared to the First World and elms of the Second/Third World.

It has fallen behind in physical development, but cannot improve on this as there is a complete lack of intellectual development, and absence of a moral and spiritual compass, across vast swathes of the continent.

In terms of intellectual development it has very few seats of learning and indigineous scholars; it has limited R & D; no political tradition except that which remains from colonialism, much of which has now been replaced by ju-ju-based governance.

In terms of the moral compass; corruption, bribery, nepotism is rife; there is no concept of welfare or humanity (except that provided by the Church); volunteering does not exist except where there is scope to gouge benefit for the volunteer; and individual well-being always take precedence over nation building.

Sustainment of both intellectual and moral development is normally aided by things spiritual. Christinanity has assisted in this, but it is limited, and there is no real benefit provided by current alternatives provided by the scattering of goats bones, and other esoteric rituals, as a means of gaining sprititual guidance and comfort.

Can this be improved. In short no, not without either re-colonising the continent or by redrawing national boundaries, as the real problem that Africa wrestles with is its Fourth World status (defined as widely unknown nations (cultural entities) of indigenous peoples, living within or across national state boundaries). There can never be consensus or fairness whilst this Fourth World situation endures.

In summary, a permanant basket case, and one on which we should waste no further time or money.
Everything you say is true - but something about place effects and moves everyone who has spent any serious time there deeply.....
Bollox the place is a sh1t hole of the first order. Full of filth with rubbish piled up on the pavements. Poor or no sanitation, the people couldn't care less and are happy to live in the foetid sh1te because they have no pride or self respect. A complete lack of respect for fellow humans beings or indeed life itself.

Granted its got a few nice bits but then again so does Birmingham. So stop trying to get all romantic about the place because its not.
I guess it depends on where you have been and how much experience you have of the continent - I have enjoyed every project I have worked on there.
 
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Ord_Sgt said:
Alsacien said:
pombsen-armchair-warrior said:
In evolutionary terms Africa (although it is not alone in this respect) is far behind the curve when compared to the First World and elms of the Second/Third World.

It has fallen behind in physical development, but cannot improve on this as there is a complete lack of intellectual development, and absence of a moral and spiritual compass, across vast swathes of the continent.

In terms of intellectual development it has very few seats of learning and indigineous scholars; it has limited R & D; no political tradition except that which remains from colonialism, much of which has now been replaced by ju-ju-based governance.

In terms of the moral compass; corruption, bribery, nepotism is rife; there is no concept of welfare or humanity (except that provided by the Church); volunteering does not exist except where there is scope to gouge benefit for the volunteer; and individual well-being always take precedence over nation building.

Sustainment of both intellectual and moral development is normally aided by things spiritual. Christinanity has assisted in this, but it is limited, and there is no real benefit provided by current alternatives provided by the scattering of goats bones, and other esoteric rituals, as a means of gaining sprititual guidance and comfort.

Can this be improved. In short no, not without either re-colonising the continent or by redrawing national boundaries, as the real problem that Africa wrestles with is its Fourth World status (defined as widely unknown nations (cultural entities) of indigenous peoples, living within or across national state boundaries). There can never be consensus or fairness whilst this Fourth World situation endures.

In summary, a permanant basket case, and one on which we should waste no further time or money.
Everything you say is true - but something about place effects and moves everyone who has spent any serious time there deeply.....
Bollox the place is a sh1t hole of the first order. Full of filth with rubbish piled up on the pavements. Poor or no sanitation, the people couldn't care less and are happy to live in the foetid sh1te because they have no pride or self respect. A complete lack of respect for fellow humans beings or indeed life itself.

Granted its got a few nice bits but then again so does Birmingham. So stop trying to get all romantic about the place because its not.


I object - as a fully paid-up professional Brummie (check my nic) I wish to point out that only one of those places has unfriendly natives who won't get off their arrses and help themselves, where the streets are strewn with rubbish and rats....................

oh, finish it off yourselves!
 
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blue_sophist said:
moving-target-survivor said:
ViolentBadger said:
Africa needs to be left to it's own devices.
so good I posted it again
BUMP

Cousin living in SA always mentions crime levels and corruption ...

Of course nobody on ARRSE or in the country as a whole mentions the level of crime and corruption in the UK. I think the old saying about people in Glass Houses is very appropriate here. After all we (but not me or anyone on ARRSE :? ) voted in a party that were known to have lied to take the country into an illegal war,
 
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moving-target-survivor said:
pombsen-armchair-warrior said:
and one on which we should waste no further time or money.
….until hoards of disaffected Africans march on Europe :x


Seem to remember a TV dramatisation of that very scenario, Barbed wire on the Spanish beaches etc

Sadly aid & intervention don't work, leave 'em to stringing up their own corrupt politicians, we have enough of our own to deal with :twisted:
 
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pombsen-armchair-warrior said:
Sustainment of both intellectual and moral development is normally aided by things spiritual. Christinanity has assisted in this, but it is limited, and there is no real benefit provided by current alternatives provided by the scattering of goats bones, and other esoteric rituals, as a means of gaining sprititual guidance and comfort.
...a key limitation is of course the fact that some churches still forbid contraception, thereby allowing HIV figures to soar through their zealous misinterpretation of scripture.

Membership of a first-world country brings global responsibilities I'm afraid. We can't ignore the plight of Africa but have leaders incapable of the necessary incisiveness.

Regime change is called for in a great number of African Nations. All the time that we acknowledge their sovereignty we cannot manoeuvre and see any aid that we send stolen or misapplied. What's worse - intentional or unintentional genocide by a failed country or the charge of colonialism?

A global intervention is necessary - and the UN should rise to the challenge. A failed, barren Africa is in nobody's interest.

But it's a huge job.
 
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craftsmanx said:
blue_sophist said:
moving-target-survivor said:
ViolentBadger said:
Africa needs to be left to it's own devices.
so good I posted it again
BUMP

Cousin living in SA always mentions crime levels and corruption ...

Of course nobody on ARRSE or in the country as a whole mentions the level of crime and corruption in the UK. I think the old saying about people in Glass Houses is very appropriate here. After all we (but not me or anyone on ARRSE :? ) voted in a party that were known to have lied to take the country into an illegal war,
Well the thread is not about the UK is it, muppet. So why don't you take your dull PC head for a sh1t and leave the rest of us alone?
 
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