Birthers

#1
In the Daily Telegraph
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Conspiracy theorists and far right wingers, who have begun to call themselves "birthers", maintain that Mr Obama is not entitled to be President of the US because he is "foreign born.
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Joe Scarborough, a former Republican Congressman who hosts his own cable news show described the "birthers" as "cartoon characters".

"Instead of trying to actually figure out what's happening to their country, the terrible things that are happening economically to their country," such people would rather "embrace conspiracy theories," he said.

He compared the conspiracy theorists to people who believe "the United States government blew up its own buildings and killed its own people on September 11", or that American astronauts "never landed on the moon."

Michael Medved, a conservative talk-show host, described the leadership of the so-called "birther" movement as "crazy, nutburger, demagogue, money-hungry, exploitative, irresponsible, filthy conservative impostors."

They caused terrible damage to the conservative movement, he added. "It makes us look weird. It makes us look crazy. It makes us look demented. It makes us look sick, troubled, and not suitable for civilised company."
That last paragraph made me think.

Could this be a sort of Swiftboat 2.0? Is Rahm "Israel" Emmanuel secretly working the astroturf? Is this a sinister Obamalist plot to blacken the good name of deranged teabagging wingnuts everywhere???

Come to think of it I'm beginning to see the Barry as Antichrist shtick, intelligent design and climate change denial in a new light. Is it all a liberal elite conspiracy to make the GOP look like a drool spattered, balloon waving retard rushing towards a buzzsaw?

Quickly brothers, there is only one defense.
 
#2
alib said:
Is this a sinister Obamalist plot to blacken the good name of deranged teabagging wingnuts everywhere???
To equate the "birthers" with those attending TEA Parties is a leap. All the TEA Parties I have been to have been an eclectic mix of all sorts; democrats, republicans, Ron Paulist, and libraterians. The focus of TEA Parties is to stop the out of control spending, and fiscal irresponsibility rampant in DC, and is not about one party over the other.

The brither movement is a small fringe group, and I wouldn't even call them conservatives, as they up to this point are singularly focused on Obama and his place of birth. World Nut (Net) Daily has been leading the charge on this since Obama came on the scene and have at least 2 articles a day on the subject.

They are no better then the "9/11 truthers" and should just be ignored
 
#4
What's really ironic here is it's fricken Michael Medved saying "It makes us look weird. It makes us look crazy. It makes us look demented. It makes us look sick, troubled, and not suitable for civilised company."

That's the same creationist loon that believes in "American DNA".
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The idea of a distinctive, unifying, risk-taking American DNA might also help to explain our most persistent and painful racial divide – between the progeny of every immigrant nationality that chose to come here, and the one significant group that exercised no choice in making their journey to the U.S. Nothing in the horrific ordeal of African slaves, seized from their homes against their will, reflected a genetic predisposition to risk-taking, or any sort of self-selection based on personality traits. Among contemporary African-Americans, however, this very different historical background exerts a less decisive influence, because of vast waves of post-slavery black immigration. Some three million black immigrants from Africa and the Caribbean arrived since 1980 alone and in big cities like New York, Boston and Miami close to half of the African-American population consists of immigrants, their children or grandchildren. The entrepreneurial energy of these newcomer communities indicates that their members display the same adventurous instincts associated with American DNA.
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And the poor bewildered soul is not even being metaphorical.
 
#5
Apparently they have gotten their target wrong..... they should be targetting the geezer called Santa Claus, aka Father Christmas...aka Saint Nick.... :oops:

Santa Claus really is a Socialist/Commie.... because he gives a way pressies.... He should be, in good Capitalistic ways, be charging as much as he can get away with before bing found out.... So Santa Claus is therefore a Commie, a Terrorist and should be renditioned out of the North Pole and put into Gitmo so he can be 'interrogated' as to where Sammy Bin Liner is hiding.... :wink: 8O

Tin Foil hats..... Sounds like is part of the 'Uber-band of Brothers'... like David Icke... and others who are so much a scource of mirth and merriment to us 'ordinary' mortals.... :? :)
 
#7
"Birthers" for the great part are usually also "Truthers" who think the World Trade Center was a Gobmint plot.

Throw in some Ron Paul supporters, Far Far Rightists, CPUSA, Hillary supporter types and you've got one hell of a Melange of stupidity.
 
#8
labrat said:
Seems they could put paid to any rumours quite simply by releasing his birth certificate....

:wink:

His long form birth certificate was destroyed by sinister Hawaiian bureaucrats.

And Rahm's horned minions traveled back in time to plant this in the Honolulu Advertiser in 1961.

And what's more:
 
#9
alib said:
labrat said:
Seems they could put paid to any rumours quite simply by releasing his birth certificate....

:wink:
And what the Birthers will point out is that is a Laser Jet Copy, something that wasnt around when Obama or Myself were Born. Frankly this gem started a lot of the Loons down the road to full conspiracy.

As a Note My NYC Birth certificate from 1963 has the Doctors name, Hospital, Time of Birth, Father name & Occupation, Mothers name, number of children born alive previously etc. Ht, Wt., etc.

If he had something like that this whole birther house of cards would disappear quickly as the sham it is
 
#10
Whether all these folks who have questions about his background are "loons" or not could be easily resolved if the relevant records (all of them-as has been the practice for previous presidents) were simply produced. I think the more relevant issue is the broader one that never in our history has someone risen to the presidency with so little vetting of his background. I can vividly recall in the dim mists of history as a young lad dreaming one day of being president and listening to the campaign of Eisenhower how much I knew about him as a person. As an aside it is interesting to see how he leveraged his campaign on race when his certificate of live birth says he is a caucasian.

And lest anyone think my view is based on race, I can assure you it is not. Those who level such charges against anyone daring to question his highness are merely using one of the plays out of the progressive playbook--demonize the speaker and avoid the substantive issue. I focus on facts and in his case, there are precious few.
 
#11
I have my original "birth record" with stamp in place from 1968, signed by the US Consul in Germany. Has far more info then that of Obama's.

Not saying he isn't legit just saying like the recent Gates blow up he perpetuates the problems.
 
#12
Yep, If I were being accused of it, I would want to clear the air by showing all the records to give them widespread media attention. Some think he wants to hide that his parents werent Married at his birth, but frankly who would care?

Get the Documents out there so anyone can see them and you expose the remaining Birthers as the Nuts they are.
 
#13
ctauch said:
Goldbricker said:
Some think he wants to hide that his parents werent Married at his birth, but frankly who would care?
I don't care, seeing no matter the legal status of his parents I still consider him a right bastard
I have no love for him either, but you know what I mean. I dont hold the child responsible for the parents (even if it did turn out to be true). Seriously I beleive unless they give this some attention it will always dog him and the nuts will always be there interfering with real dissent over him and his policies
 
#14
Goldbricker said:
Yep, If I were being accused of it, I would want to clear the air by showing all the records to give them widespread media attention. Some think he wants to hide that his parents werent Married at his birth, but frankly who would care?

Get the Documents out there so anyone can see them and you expose the remaining Birthers as the Nuts they are.
Don't believe everything you read--those seeking answers to legitimate questions of whether he is Constitutionally qualified to be president are not all "nuts." That is what the "progressives" who want to simply ignore inconvenient bits of our Constitution want you to think.
 
#15
I don't really care about the birthers - I'm more interested in why the GOP hasn't been all over the Obama campaign's acceptance of illegal overseas campaign donations (along with other electoral...err...irregularities), having expressly disabled the checks on the payment system. Don't believe me? Google it. A few non-Obama supporting bloggers with foreign credit cards tried to donate small amounts illegally to Barry, Billary & McCain's Oven Fries. Guess which one accepted the payment and which 2 didn't...

I guess the RNC want to be magnanimous in defeat... like that's ever gotten anyone anywhere! Had the boot been on the other foot the DNC would be ALL OVER the RNC with the media as their cheerleaders. The GOP have to understand that the DNC want to win AT ALL COSTS, and will play dirty to do it while calling the GOP the nasty ones.
 
#16
stoatman said:
I don't really care about the birthers - I'm more interested in why the GOP hasn't been all over the Obama campaign's acceptance of illegal overseas campaign donations (along with other electoral...err...irregularities), having expressly disabled the checks on the payment system. Don't believe me? Google it. A few non-Obama supporting bloggers with foreign credit cards tried to donate small amounts illegally to Barry, Billary & McCain's Oven Fries. Guess which one accepted the payment and which 2 didn't...

I guess the RNC want to be magnanimous in defeat... like that's ever gotten anyone anywhere! Had the boot been on the other foot the DNC would be ALL OVER the RNC with the media as their cheerleaders. The GOP have to understand that the DNC want to win AT ALL COSTS, and will play dirty to do it while calling the GOP the nasty ones.
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Well said--it is simple--this is a WAR and the politicians don't get it since vast majority are all cut of the same cloth--progressivism--grow government and rule our private lives. Sadly, most Americans are sheeple.
 
#17
Jumpingjarhead - you've clearly been reading Beck. He presents a persuasive argument, although I think it [progressivism] is visceral amongst many of the political class rather than concious and explicit, certainly amongst GOP-ers.

It scared me that Billary stated explicitly that she was an "Early-20th-Century Progressive". Given that these chaps were WELL into eugenics, amongst other nasty things, either she is dumb (quite possibly), lying, or IS into this stuff... In the 20s this lot were into Mussolini and the Soviet Union's New Economic Policy in equal measure (the "Russo-Italian Method"), which influenced FDR to a large degree. Fascism with a smily face.
 
#18
More Birther fun here.

The elderly crowds enthusiastic reaction and the despairing look on Rep. Mike Castle's sad old mug really says it all. Poor sod devoted his life to the GOP, served eight terms and it comes to this.

If I was President Barry and I found my long form birth certificate down the back of the sofa I'd be lighting a stoogie with it right now. Let the Birthers howl until only the heavily medicated would think of voting against him.

It's a tribute to American respect for free speech that folk like this get heard out. When a crumbly gets a little gobby at a New Labor rally they get frog marched outside by a couple of goons and threatened with a violation of handily vague anti-terrorism legislation.

For those wishing to hammer home that last nail by stoating about with their crazy on Birther T-Shirts are available here. I advise against open carry at the same time.
 
#19
stoatman said:
Jumpingjarhead - you've clearly been reading Beck. He presents a persuasive argument, although I think it [progressivism] is visceral amongst many of the political class rather than concious and explicit, certainly amongst GOP-ers.

It scared me that Billary stated explicitly that she was an "Early-20th-Century Progressive". Given that these chaps were WELL into eugenics, amongst other nasty things, either she is dumb (quite possibly), lying, or IS into this stuff... In the 20s this lot were into Mussolini and the Soviet Union's New Economic Policy in equal measure (the "Russo-Italian Method"), which influenced FDR to a large degree. Fascism with a smily face.
Beck is the "face" on much of this but as you no doubt know there are a number of respected authors who have chronicled this pervasive political movement and its unquestionable effect on modern US and world politics.
 
#20
jumpinjarhead said:
Beck is the "face" on much of this but as you no doubt know there are a number of respected authors who have chronicled this pervasive political movement and its unquestionable effect on modern US and world politics.
I like Glenn and Jonah and the rest of them but it seems to me that they are trying to put lipstick on a pig. Call it what you will, facism, socialism, progressivism...quite simply it is a bunch of elites trying to grab more power or hang on to what they have. Obama is just the new kid on the block with a new playbook.

They all need a good shoeing and I have started; Mel and Bill have both been served notice as well as that linguine spine equivical cunt Crist.

Next stop only God knows but it ain't looking pretty right now, and we have no one to blame but our own complacent selves.
 

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