Bill for keeping control of anti-Israel mobs hits £1 million

#1
Why doesnt this suprise me. Will these "protest" marches be banned or heavy handed policing be applied for once where its needed? Of course not, we all know the rent a mob outcome, dig deep taxpayers, all together now " Cause we've got, high hopes, we've got, high hopes!"

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Taxpayers face a bill of more than £1million after violence erupted during a weekend of demonstrations over the Israeli military action in Gaza.

Extremists were blamed for clashes which broke out near the Israeli embassy in London, as tens of thousands marched in protest over Israel's offensive.

Police believe a small number of activists tried to hijack the demonstration and turn it into a riot.

Flashpoint: Police hold back protesters marching on the Israeli embassy in Kensington on Saturday
Shop windows were smashed and police pelted with bricks and bottles by masked youths near the embassy in Kensington during the largest demonstration against Israel's military action. Protesters smashed up a police van before torching an Israeli flag.

Many are thought to have travelled to London with the aim of causing anarchist mayhem at Saturday's demonstration, organised by the Stop the War Coalition.

It is believed coachloads of Muslim youths with Pakistani origins attended the demonstration after being driven from Yorkshire and the Midlands.

Protesters smash a window of a Starbucks coffee shop next to the Israeli Embassy on Saturday night
Belgian riot police stand near a car destroyed during a pro-Palestinians demonstration in central Brussels, against the Israeli air strikes on Gaza

A total of 24 arrests were made, mainly for violent disorder. Three police officers and 20 protesters suffered minor injuries. Scotland Yard sources say the cost of policing Saturday's demonstration, and other Gaza-related protests in London over the past week, already exceeds £1million.

Metropolitan Police Commander Bob Broadhurst hit out at 'the irresponsible and criminal actions' of the rioters.

A man is arrested during a pro-Palestinians demonstration in central Brussels
'A hard core of demonstrators has undermined the cause of the vast majority of demonstrators, who are law abiding citizens wishing to protest peacefully,' he said.

Yesterday, there were two more demonstrations in Central London. Thousands of Israeli supporters gathered in Trafalgar Square. A rival pro-Palestinian march, attended by several hundred, started from Marble Arch. Both passed off peacefully.

In an open letter to a Sunday newspaper, 11 prominent British Jews called on Israel to end its military campaign in Gaza.

Israeli prime minister Ehud Olmert said yesterday that his country's deadliest ever military offensive in the Gaza Strip was nearing its goal, but fighting would continue for several more days.

Despite global calls for a ceasefire, Israeli troops backed by tanks pushed to the edge of Gaza City while their warplanes continued their attack. At least 26 Palestinians were killed in clashes. Hamas fired at least ten rockets into Israel, but no one was injured.
 
#2
Just a good argument for getting rid of Police Overtime and putting them on a salary.
 
#3
Would anyone be surprised if the police were doing the kicking off themselves?

I'm only sorry I can't attend the rallies. If one million quid is a worry, then how about getting a hold of those financiers that have cost this country billions and dropped us in the shiote we're all in now?
 
#4
Chuffit said:
Would anyone be surprised if the police were doing the kicking off themselves?
Erm.....me!
 
#5
Chuffit said:
Would anyone be surprised if the police were doing the kicking off themselves?

I'm only sorry I can't attend the rallies. If one million quid is a worry, then how about getting a hold of those financiers that have cost this country billions and dropped us in the shiote we're all in now?
Chuffit.

I've a keen interest in becoming a complete fuckwit. Any possibility of some private tutoring? You could be like my mentor and that would be really kewl!

Thanks in advance.

Mick
 
#6
If it is costing that much no-one from my farce has seen a penny of it, despite the Met asking for mutual aid. Fingers crossed though, perhaps this gravy train will run for a while.
 
#7
The Government would only have wasted the money on schools or healthcare anyway.
 
#8
Cost of freedom I'm afraid.

They have the right to march, protest and get a good trucheoning if they over-step the mark
 
#9
Mostly caused by the rent a mob that seem to appear at any form of protest these days. Though they all have dredlocks and smell like goats as opposed to the skinheads of yesteryear.
 
#10
I wish the police were half as violent in dealing with these rent-a-mob types as they were with the CA demonstrators in Parliament Square. however it is unlikely, these are all unwashed permanent students and professional liberals - we were decently employed, property owning middle and working class types.
 
#11
Cuddles said:
I wish the police were half as violent in dealing with these rent-a-mob types as they were with the CA demonstrators in Parliament Square. however it is unlikely, these are all unwashed permanent students and professional liberals - we were decently employed, property owning middle and working class types.

That's right and completely non violent too, after all that one person who lifted that WPC's stabvest only did so in order to hand his knife to her by placing it under there for safe keeping, and that woman with the claret who famously claimed on tv that it was Civil War didn't, in fact, kick most of it off by smashing a PC over the head with her trusty plackard did she? :roll:

edited to add

I have no love for swampy and his pals but don't try to be holier than though over it. Have a gander at the swampy websh!tes, I'm sure they'll tell you that they've had a shoeing too.
 
#12
Have a look at some of the pictures in this Link

I cannot believe these are pictures from our capital city, lets face it, 99% of the people pictured dont look like they have any sort of love for this country, it makes you wonder when there are allegedly 100,000 people at a protest, how many could you estimate were involved in the trouble? 200? and suppose there were only 200 hardcore "troublemakers" (note they are called troublemakers not extremists, islamists, supporters of terrorist organisations etc) yet out of those 200 there were only 26 arrests. I suspect the police wont make any more arrests as they probably:

A. Dont want to upset the muslim "community"
B. Have not got a clue who the rioters were, its a pretty fair bet more than one or two of those arrested are immigrants illegal or otherwise.

Somethings got to change, not just the goverment, but our attitude as well.
 
#13
Barrack Room Lawyer said:
Have a look at some of the pictures in this Link

I cannot believe these are pictures from our capital city, lets face it, 99% of the people pictured dont look like they have any sort of love for this country, it makes you wonder when there are allegedly 100,000 people at a protest, how many could you estimate were involved in the trouble? 200? and suppose there were only 200 hardcore "troublemakers" (note they are called troublemakers not extremists, islamists, supporters of terrorist organisations etc) yet out of those 200 there were only 26 arrests. I suspect the police wont make any more arrests as they probably:

A. Dont want to upset the muslim "community"
B. Have not got a clue who the rioters were, its a pretty fair bet more than one or two of those arrested are immigrants illegal or otherwise.

Somethings got to change, not just the goverment, but our attitude as well.
5 rounds rapid then advance with Fixed Bayonets?

Mind you the Byonet on the L85A2 looks gash, piece of plastic metalcrap......

Bring back the SMLE Mk 3 and bayonet..... :)
 
#14
Grenade Machine Guns firing a 5:1 ratio of baton rounds and tear gas, to break up the knots of problem.

3 ranks of baton guns to stop charges.

tasers for close in work.

Snatch teams and paint markers to spot trouble makers.

Reading of riot act, prior to kick off.

Should come to about 50k worth.
 
#15
Err .... I think you'll find the GMG under current regs doesn't fire baton or CS rounds. Sorry to be a techie nitpicker.

My advice - stick with normal ammo of HE and a bit smoke & TP to cause confusion and act as spotter rounds

Unlike Tasers the bayonets won't run out of battery life (regardless of looking gash or not). Quicker in and out as well I would guess.
 
#16
24 arrests made for "Violent Disorder".

God forbid any chief con anywhere accept there has been a Riot in his city. Think of the bad press and the loss of "Honours". :roll:

Spineless.

What he will do though is Cancel the rest days and time off of all of his staff and provide a limp wristed response to mutants who enter our capital city and start rioting.

I have no doubt that the majority were there peacfully. However they should never have been allowed to gather in such large numbers in one place. Surrounding forces should have been requested in order to break up the protesters into smaller groups (Peacefully) allowing peaceful protest to continue and those who would cause trouble to be crushed quickly and ruthlessly then removed.

Instead those who live and work in London have to put up with the aftermath. I highly doubt this was an isolated one off.
 
#17
chocolate_frog said:
Grenade Machine Guns firing a 5:1 ratio of baton rounds and tear gas, to break up the knots of problem.

3 ranks of baton guns to stop charges.

tasers for close in work.

Snatch teams and paint markers to spot trouble makers.

Reading of riot act, prior to kick off.
Should come to about 50k worth.
Gone mate - repealed in 1973! But I take the point though :D When I was at Sandhurst we were still taught Square Formation with the accoutrements in the first rank i.e. long shootiebangiepointy things.
 
#18
Barrack Room Lawyer said:
Have a look at some of the pictures in this Link

I cannot believe these are pictures from our capital city, lets face it, 99% of the people pictured dont look like they have any sort of love for this country, it makes you wonder when there are allegedly 100,000 people at a protest, how many could you estimate were involved in the trouble? 200? and suppose there were only 200 hardcore "troublemakers" (note they are called troublemakers not extremists, islamists, supporters of terrorist organisations etc) yet out of those 200 there were only 26 arrests. I suspect the police wont make any more arrests as they probably:

A. Dont want to upset the muslim "community"
B. Have not got a clue who the rioters were, its a pretty fair bet more than one or two of those arrested are immigrants illegal or otherwise.

Somethings got to change, not just the goverment, but our attitude as well.
It's not quite as simple as that, though I appreciate how it looks.

For example, for every arrest you need minimum of 2 officers to restrain and escort said person to a designated point. Which could be a prisoner carrier, mobile custody unit, or handover team.

Whilst those two are gone with said prisoner the number in the line is depleted.

So, for example, if you arrest say 50 in one charge/advance etc that's 100 officers gone. It might be for a few minutes, it might be for an hour. That's almost 4 PSU's. ( a PSU being 18PCs, 3 PS, 1insp & 3 Drivers driving 3 carriers) You would generally need that number of PSU's to hold a major junction or open area.

What is best practice is for officers equipped with Camcorders or the nearby CCTV to capture said miscreants on camera and try to identify them later. That's why you don't often hear of many arrests at large scale disorder. It's not tactically sound. Dispersing, or holding them is.

Hope that explains that.
 
#19
The_Seagull said:
What is best practice is for officers equipped with Camcorders or the nearby CCTV to capture said miscreants on camera and try to identify them later. That's why you don't often hear of many arrests at large scale disorder. It's not tactically sound. Dispersing, or holding them is.

Hope that explains that.
Thanks for that Seagull, but my bold, the point Im making is, if these people dont hail from this country and perhaps, in some cases, we don't know they are even in this country or who they are, how would you I.D and then arrest them? Im sure if it was 100,000 England fans in London, a lot more police would of been on duty and a lot more arrests would of been made at the event and there would of been a lot less trouble!
 
#20
Barrack Room Lawyer said:
The_Seagull said:
What is best practice is for officers equipped with Camcorders or the nearby CCTV to capture said miscreants on camera and try to identify them later. That's why you don't often hear of many arrests at large scale disorder. It's not tactically sound. Dispersing, or holding them is.

Hope that explains that.
Thanks for that Seagull, but my bold, the point Im making is, if these people dont hail from this country and perhaps, in some cases, we don't know they are even in this country or who they are, how would you I.D and then arrest them? Im sure if it was 100,000 England fans in London, a lot more police would of been on duty and a lot more arrests would of been made at the event and there would of been a lot less trouble!
I couldn't agree more, now that I see what you're getting at.

Identifying and arresting them will be difficult. I would imagine that a few of them might already be known to Special Branch/Immigration (i hope)/MI5 even. As for the swampy rent a mob. Most of them I imagine will be well known to the National Public Order Intelligence Unit.

I think that the met was caught short on this in terms of numbers but they must be taking it seriously now as they've been asking for mutual aid.

As for the arrests you're probably right as most football related arrests happen outside the ground and when "fans" are tanked up and causing minor hassle in small numbers. Though the same applies as I mentioned earlier. Most football hooligans are arrested as a result of a post match enquiry/investigation as you don't see large groups of them locked up when they're kicking off en mass. The rest are your drunken idiots as opposed to your proper hooligans, but they go down as football related arrests all the same.

Looks like we're doing something about it then. :wink:
 

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