Bikers - 25 sep demo - important - stand up for your rights

#1
Those twats at the EU are about to make a lot of new laws that will completely screw with our ability to wear what we want and fix/modify/adapt our bikes to our real world needs.
Think compulsory day-glow and German style TUV laws.
Other proposals on the table include things like compulsory ABS on all new bikes that will price smaller bikes out of the reach of those who usually buy such machines.

Sep 25th is going to be a huge day of bike demos across the UK. If you ride a bike, get involved.

Info at MAG - Homepage or in MCN.

Basically, kick off will be 1pm (Thats 1300 to you lot) on 25 Sep (a Sunday) from a variety of locations around the UK.

While you are looking at the MAG website, why not join? They fight for your rights and its not just about helmet laws any more!
 

Alsacien

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#3
Those twats at the EU are about to make a lot of new laws that will completely screw with our ability to wear what we want and fix/modify/adapt our bikes to our real world needs.
Think compulsory day-glow and German style TUV laws.
Other proposals on the table include things like compulsory ABS on all new bikes that will price smaller bikes out of the reach of those who usually buy such machines.

Sep 25th is going to be a huge day of bike demos across the UK. If you ride a bike, get involved.

Info at MAG - Homepage or in MCN.

Basically, kick off will be 1pm (Thats 1300 to you lot) on 25 Sep (a Sunday) from a variety of locations around the UK.

While you are looking at the MAG website, why not join? They fight for your rights and its not just about helmet laws any more!
Not heard about anything like that happening in DE or FR, both of whom have powerful motorcycling lobbies - got a link to any factual reference?
 

jarrod248

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#7
Ok I don't know enough about bikes but one of my brothers was killed when he'd to avoid a pissed up twat wondering into the road.
I am very concerned about kids behaviour on mopeds and what makes someone experienced/skilled?
I can't recall if similar arguments were made about ABS in cars but they seem very successful. I'd be interested to hear people's views.
 
#8

Alsacien

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#9
French did something similar on June 18th and had 15,000 riders (est) in Paris, 10,000 in Lyon and numerous smaller demos. Surprised you didnt hear anything! See below.

If you have a MAG member near you, borrow his/her latest copy of the ROAD (issue 36Sep/Oct edn)

Motorcycle Action Group

France completely paralysed by almost 100,000 bikers ! « UK France bikers.com
That is about a French government proposal (that will not happen now because the guy is a known twat) to wear hi-viz armbands - nothing to do with any potential EU regulation(s).
 
#10
Jarrod, the big difference between a bike and a car is that a bike rider depends on speed/power to control stability, particularly in a cornering situation. A car is inherently stable. A bike is not! ABS is also expensive to fit to a bike (around £500 depending on brand) and, while this may not be a noticeable expense on a 10 grand bike, it would be on a 125! On off-road bikes ABS would be catestrophic (and the proposals include off-roaders).

I am not sure about switchable. I think not but that would require a fine print read. But if it was, watch for insurers claiming an accident was your fault because you had chosen to switch it off!
 
#11
The bikers would be better off lobbying BMW to build a 125cc commuter, as EU laws relating to motorcycling have always neatly fitted around BMW's business plans. Remember the proposed power limits that were about to be introduced, and suddenly got dropped just as BMW realised it could sell bikes with over 100ps......?
 

jarrod248

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#12
Jarrod, the big difference between a bike and a car is that a bike rider depends on speed/power to control stability, particularly in a cornering situation. A car is inherently stable. A bike is not! ABS is also expensive to fit to a bike (around £500 depending on brand) and, while this may not be a noticeable expense on a 10 grand bike, it would be on a 125! On off-road bikes ABS would be catestrophic (and the proposals include off-roaders).

I am not sure about switchable. I think not but that would require a fine print read. But if it was, watch for insurers claiming an accident was your fault because you had chosen to switch it off!
The price isn't a concern as much as manufacturers will always squirm and cry poverty then make a new brochure saying how safe their product is.
The stability is of course a problem but surely such a thing would be tested and prevent brakes from locking and increase stability or am I talking shite?
 
#13
Will there be a contra rally?

One that demands that bikers wear full dayglo, that their bikes are painted in dayglo and have side running lights. That bikers have to wear leathers of an adequate standard in all weathers. That visors have a clear view facility that works at speeds below the speed limit. That rear number plates are the same size as on cars. That the registration is displayed on the front of a bike where it can be seen by speed cameras. That gives the Police the authority to perform PIT manoeuvres and deploy Stingers on fail-to-stop bikers. That requires silencers to meet the same noise limits as those fitted to cars. That the "Think. Bike." adverts are replaced with "You'll come off worst, act accordingly" adverts.

No? Shame...
 

Sixty

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#14
Not heard about anything like that happening in DE or FR, both of whom have powerful motorcycling lobbies - got a link to any factual reference?
It's only a public consultation at the moment Als. The Consultation document is under the link.

Looks like scaremongering as it stands now.
 
#15
Putties

I believe that is what the ride is actually trying to stop.

If i recall the EU want us to wear dayglo, no mods to your bike that affect its performance, including exhausts, restricter kits to ensure you can't go over the speed limit, ABS etc however car owners can continue to mod their cars to their hearts content,drive as fast as they want etc at the age of 18 go out and buy a 180mph sports car straight after passing your test, i appreciate that a fair few bikers are throbbers who are just as, if not more inconsiderate than car owners but i still think we should have a choice in what we wear, and as long as mods are safe then we should be allowed to do them.

Simple solution for bikers if it comes in, all wear white helmets, full dayglo jackets and ride white bikes with fluro tape, foe visibility reasons, everyone will move out the way as they will think we are plod.

But each to their own.

As for ABS, my mate who has ridden bikes for 20 odd years recently hit another mate, who slammed on when a car turned across in front of him, because in his opinion ABS prevented him from stopping as quick as he could have done without it..................although he says its better in the wet.
 
#16
Will there be a contra rally?

One that demands that bikers wear full dayglo, that their bikes are painted in dayglo and have side running lights. That bikers have to wear leathers of an adequate standard in all weathers. That visors have a clear view facility that works at speeds below the speed limit. That rear number plates are the same size as on cars. That the registration is displayed on the front of a bike where it can be seen by speed cameras. That gives the Police the authority to perform PIT manoeuvres and deploy Stingers on fail-to-stop bikers. That requires silencers to meet the same noise limits as those fitted to cars. That the "Think. Bike." adverts are replaced with "You'll come off worst, act accordingly" adverts.

No? Shame...
I think they should also outlaw the right to biker assembly above 5 if said bikers are intent on driving noisy, ugly chrome and leather studded pieces of shite in packs on summer sundays. Any bike that can wake a baby at 200 yards should be crushed and the owner humanely put down with twenty litres of Calpol.
 
#18

Alsacien

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#19
It's only a public consultation at the moment Als. The Consultation document is under the link.

Looks like scaremongering as it stands now.
Thanks, had a quick scan.
I actually heard the 100bhp limit in France may get dropped in the context of standardising regs. This para seems to support that rumour:
"On the other hand, it emerged from dedicated studies that the link between engine power and
increase of safety cannot be demonstrated. Based on this, the Commission intends to propose an
harmonisation of the EC legislation on that matter".

So in summary:
Emissions - that will tighten on new bikes as it has for cars, get over it, power to weight is improvements will more than compensate.
ABS - will not happen as it is too expensive and can be shown to work better only on certain types of bikes.
Restricted bike anti-tampering - no problem with that, restricted bikes are restricted for a reason. If someone had given me the horsepower at 18 I would not be here now.
The other stuff is not really interesting.

If you are going to protest something, at least know what it is and target the right audience. Writing to Nigel Farage complaining about a French MP's silly ideas will just make you look a twat.....
 

jarrod248

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#20
I think they should also outlaw the right to biker assembly above 5 if said bikers are intent on driving noisy, ugly chrome and leather studded pieces of shite in packs on summer sundays. Any bike that can wake a baby at 200 yards should be crushed and the owner humanely put down with twenty litres of Calpol.
I agree but it's a minority and we shouldn't spoil everyone's fun. If safety can be improved with not too much reduction in fun I'm all for it.
Let's also ban the Chav car exhausts that make such a racket.
 
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