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  1. I saw this article in my paper this morning and thought it was pretty funny. Those camel spiders are huge, I wouldn't want to be stuck in the john with one either.
     
  2. Who's John?
     
  3. What about a camel?
     
  4. Bad for your lungs
     
  5. Would you let a camel in your house as a pet? How could that give you bad lungs?
     
  6. If I let a camel into the house it would be my missus that got the hump
     
  7. We had a bird in Iraq who shot at one :) ..... didnt laugh much.
     
  8. Why is everyone obsessed with spiders today, stop it, im scared.....
     
  9. they are lovely
     

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  10. EEEEEEWWWWW enough with the spiders....
     
  11. I am afraid like the story in the link above, most of the information from Iraq is an urban myth, camel spiders are not spiders, by a member of the scorpion family (though that doesnt help when faced with them!). The infamous pic from the yanks, makes the spider look much bigger than it is due to perspective compression (but their still not small).

    see below

    http://www.whatsthatbug.com/solpugids.html

    (not a site if you dont like bugs)!!!!!!!

    More on the Camel Spider
    (07/08/2004) Great site.
    I noticed there was a rather heated debate about the camel spider. I've seen this photo making the rounds, but I doubt highly that it is an intentional hoax on the part of the photographer. Matt Drudge posted it on his news site, with his usual sensational flair, and all of a sudden people started reporting about this bug the size of a poodle. Your assumption about optics is no doubt correct. The bug is being held by a pair of pliers and the arm appearing in the top right corner is clearly protruding from what is obviously the jacket sleeve of a slightly bent-over soldier trying to get a closer look without touching. With a bit of inspection, the clues to scale are there. Even to the photographic layman's eye, it's pretty clear this monster is about six inches long -- "
    the size of a coffee cup saucer" -- which is still pretty damned impressive. If this thing was three-feet long as some viewers have thought, this soldier would be eyeing it at the end of a bayonette, not the tip of a pair of pliers. For a comparison, there is another photo here. When viewed next to the supposed "hoax" photo, it is clear that the gigantic Paul Verhoevian specimen is perhaps slightly larger than the very believably sized one below, but not by much. It's just a more impressive photo and who can fault them for that?
    Regards,
    John Silver
    Washington, DC
    http://unpa.org/photogallery/op-iraqi-freedom/64%20Camel%20spider.JPG

    Thank you for your kind letter John. We were raked over the coals for printing that image, though it is a damn impressive photo. We try to teach our beginning photography students about the power of the image, and that is a great example of fooling the eye through creative use of scale. We do love sensationalism though.
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    (04/26/2004) Galeodes sp.
    We just heard back from the spider expert (relayed through Weiping) at the Natural History Museum in Los Angeles, and he provided us with this information on the Camel Spider. "I just met our spider expert and had the name for your spider. It is from Galeodes sp, ca 3 inches long exclude legs. It distributes in Iraq and Kazakhstan area.
    Weiping"
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    (04/05/2004)Giant Camel Spider?
    Do you have any information on this kind of spider?
    Jsandoval



    Dear Chas,
    You take the prize for the best photograph ever. Camel Spiders are actually Solpugids, not true spiders and related to scorpions. They are fierce hunters. Here is a letter we received last year that contains opinions and may or may not contain facts.
    (11/3/2003) Camel Spider
    I just basically just stumbled upon your website. Very interesting to say the least. Anyway, after looking at all the various insect pictures people have sent in for identification, I thought I would share this picture with you. Seems kind of appropriate for the Halloween season: Well, here is the nastiest creature God ever placed on this earth. This is what I had to deal with while in Kuwait during Operation Desert Storm ... I present to you the infamous "Camel Spider". A vicious insect that lives in the middle eastern deserts. Although they are not actually spiders, they resemble a cross between a spider and a scorpion. Also called the sun spider, solpugid, wind scorpion, and a host of other terrible names that do not come close to describing the pure, unadulterated evil that makes up this 'hell-spawned' beast. The Camel Spider can grow to the size of a coffee cup saucer , it can run upwards of 5 miles an hour and j ump several feet into the air . That's not the worst part either. The worst part comes when they catch you. (And they will catch you.) Although they are not poisonous, Camel Spiders will inflict a horrible bite. It will jump on you and run up your back until it finds exposed flesh. If you're wearing shorts, it will go for your legs; otherwise it may go all the way up to your face or neck . Its mouth opens four ways to become 4 very sharp fangs. If you are sleeping, i t has been known to eat at your face and rip at the flesh. Don't worry, its saliva will numb the wound almost instantaneously... by destroying the nerve endings. The saliva also inhibits healing. When your nose grows back , it'll be hideously scarred. I honestly believe if these evil creatures were the size of a German Shepard, they would rule the earth!
    Ron Larson,
    Pilot
    Army Missile Command
    Redstone Arsenal, AL


    Hi Daniel,
    Thank you for the information on Camel Spiders. Actually what happed is my cousin emailed me the "infamous photo" and I was under the impression that one of her GI friends sent it to her, but that was not the case, it is a circulating email. however when I got it I was in awe I'm not a huge fan of spiders in fact they make me very nervous and to see such a picture it really got me, I thought oh my goodness do these spiders really exist and if so can they hurt me? so I started a search one day and found your website and sent it to you so you could sent me more information on the Camel Spider. The only thing I've ever heard about Camel Spiders are those stories from GI's in the Middle East and they all say that the Camel Spider will jump and bite you, you'll never know it however because of the venom has a numbing affect. So being terrified as I was I wanted to get some expert advice, and I tell you what I am glad I went to your website because this is very, very interesting. Thank you and I'm glad you've enjoyed the "infamous photo"
    Chasity
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    Hoax or Not?
    (04/07/2004) To the whatsthatbug.com staff,
    Shame on you for perpetuating the myth that camel spiders are nasty vicious insects that inflict painful bites on humans. I can't believe you would give a "best photo ever" prize to that infamous "GIs with 3-ft long camel spider" photo. More like most misleading photo ever. Any bug expert worth his or her salt would take a few minutes (even seconds) to look up the facts instead of posting the letter from "Ron Larson, Pilot Army Missile Command" which is chock full of urban myths. Please, next time get the straight dope Or the plain facts.
    Sorry to come down hard on you, but I applaud your efforts to inform the public about insects and arachnids so I just want to see you inform them well.
    Alice Ringer

    Dear Alice Ringer,
    While I applaud your efforts to debunk our credibility, I think your angry letter poses more questions than it answers. Ron Larson sent the original letter last November along with an amazing close-up photo. He went on to relay his experiences using colorful language, and his letter contains many first hand observations that have not been disproved by the "straight dope" (a questionable domain name with stoner connotations) or "plain facts". He writes "The Camel Spider can grow to the size of a coffee cup saucer , it can run upwards of 5 miles an hour and jump several feet into the air " all of which are substantiated. He also states they are not venomous. According to renound expert Charles L. Hogue in his landmark book Insects of the Los Angeles Basin, our local species which only attain 2 inches in length "possess a formidable pair of jaws (chelicerae) and can pinch with some force" but are harmless. He goes on to describe their eating habits: "They are extremely voracious carnivores and crush and tear captive organisms to shreds with their huge jaws." The Middle Eastern species are larger and have potentially stronger jaws which might be able to pierce human skin. Granted, saliva may be a stretch and ripping faces might be an exaggeration, but it is also possible that healing in the desert might be compounded by lack of sanitation and adverse conditions. Let's just say that I wouldn't want to be bitten by a Middle Eastern Solpugid which would be, at the very least, painful.

    I also believe Ron Larson is accurate in saying "I honestly believe if these evil creatures were the size of a German Shepard, they would rule the earth! "

    Now on to the, in your words, "infamous 'GIs with 3-ft long camel spider' photo." I ask you, why is it infamous? Has it appeared elsewhere without my knowledge? How do you know they are three feet long? Because they look 3 feet long? Cameras equiped with wide angle lenses are known to distort perspective, making objects closer to the lens appear to seem larger than they are. While it is possible that the image was altered, I prefer to believe it is the result of optics and not designed to perpetuate a hoax. I did send the image to an arachnid expert at the Museum of Natural History in Los Angeles and am awaiting his reply.

    I also am curious, Alice, have you ever been to the Middle East and seen a Camel Spider for yourself? We are always telling our readers that the eye can be fooled into thinking that things are bigger than they actually are.

    On a final note, regarding your comment "Any bug expert worth his or her salt would take a few minutes (even seconds) to look up the facts instead of posting the letter from 'Ron Larson, Pilot Army Missile Command' which is chock full of urban myths," I would liike to respond that we do not take the liberties of altering our readers letters. We print them verbatim with all of their grammatical and factual errors. Just as in your case, we let the readership decide. We do have our own scorpion and solpugid page with local specimens and factual information, but when we recieve a photo like the "infamous 'GIs with 3-ft long camel spider' photo," how can we help but be in awe? It seems you are attributing malicious intent to deceive on a genuine letter and a photo I still maintain is amazing.

    Daniel,
    I'm sorry I was harsh on you. I do agree my letter does pose questions, and it should. That's what makes the natural world interesting, all the questions. To answer where I've seen the photo, it's been circulated in emails (forwarded from unknown sources), and a chatty message board (which linked the photo to http://beerbaron.kibblesnbits.net/Misc/whoadude.jpg). All 3 times, the forwarded text would include various exaggerations, misinformation, and/or vague references like "my brother's friend is in Iraq and has seen one of these things".

    Being curious of course, I google'd for more info on camel spiders, and read a couple of websites, including the two I mentioned to you. One of the google results led me to whatsthatbug.com, and I was dismayed to see that the only reply you gave to the sender of the photo was Ron Larson's letter. I was wrong to assume that Ron Larson was a play on the name Gary Larson (our favorite bug-friendly cartoonist) and I apologize to Ron if he does exist and does have first-hand knowledge of camel spiders.

    As to my calling the photo the infamous "GIs with 3-foot long camel spider" I was not saying I know they're 3 feet long, I was using words from a subject line of one of the mass emails floating around. I was trying to say the same thing you said in your reply to me: that the photo is misleading and these camel spiders are not 3 feet long. I'm sorry my sarcasm by calling them 3 feet long wasn't clear.

    I just wanted to close by saying you run or help run a great website, and I thank you for taking the time to get further information from others when you replied to me.
    Alice Ringer

    Hi again Alice,
    I think in the interest of remedying this situation, we are going to re-reply to Chas with some factual information. I am still waiting for the reply from the Museum of Natural History. The poor Camel Spider has been much maligned online as you point out, and sadly, we here at What's That Bug have inadvertently added to the myth by reposting Ron Larson's colorful letter with a genuine, though brief, request for information. I'm glad your original letter brought this to our attention.

    Never having seen a Camel Spider ourselves, except the small local Solpugids which go by common names like Sun Spider and Wind Scorpion, we go on record saying they are harmless, but can deliver a painful bite. The Middle Eastern Camel Spiders probably do have jaws strong enough to pierce skin. There is no venom or saliva to prevent healing, but adverse conditions and poor sanitation might lead to infection and scarring. Camel Spiders are shy. They will not attack humans, but are reported to snip hair from dead and sleeping animals and humans to build their nests. They are fast and they do jump far. Reports vary as to their speed: Ron Larson says 5 miles per hour, another website clocks them at 10 MPH and claims they are the fastest terrestial arthropod, but claims of 25MPH clocked running along side a Humvie are probably an exaggeration. They are predatory and fierce hunters, but their prey is limited to scorpions, insects, small lizards and rodents and anything else they can catch. Considering their size, they are one of the fiercest hunters alive, but thankfully, humans are too large to be considered lunch.
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    (11/3/2003) Camel Spider
    I just basically just stumbled upon your website. Very interesting to say the least. Anyway, after looking at all the various insect pictures people have sent in for identification, I thought I would share this picture with you. Seems kind of appropriate for the Halloween season: Well, here is the nastiest creature God ever placed on this earth. This is what I had to deal with while in Kuwait during Operation Desert Storm ... I present to you the infamous "Camel Spider". A vicious insect that lives in the middle eastern deserts. Although they are not actually spiders, they resemble a cross between a spider and a scorpion. Also called the sun spider, solpugid, wind scorpion, and a host of other terrible names that do not come close to describing the pure, unadulterated evil that makes up this 'hell-spawned' beast. The Camel Spider can grow to the size of a coffee cup saucer , it can run upwards of 5 miles an hour and j ump several feet into the air . That's not the worst part either. The worst part comes when they catch you. (And they will catch you.) Although they are not poisonous, Camel Spiders will inflict a horrible bite. It will jump on you and run up your back until it finds exposed flesh. If you're wearing shorts, it will go for your legs; otherwise it may go all the way up to your face or neck . Its mouth opens four ways to become 4 very sharp fangs. If you are sleeping, i t has been known to eat at your face and rip at the flesh. Don't worry, its saliva will numb the wound almost instantaneously... by destroying the nerve endings. The saliva also inhibits healing. When your nose grows back , it'll be hideously scarred. I honestly believe if these evil creatures were the size of a German Shepard, they would rule the earth!
    Ron Larson,
    Pilot
    Army Missile Command
    Redstone Arsenal, AL


    Dear Ron,
    Thank you for your amazing letter and photograph. I am thankful that our Solpugids only reach two inches, at most, in Southern California. They still manage to scare many people.


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    (8/14/2003)
    Dear Bugman, I enjoy insects and think they are beautiful creatures. I am usually able to identify most insects I come across, however I'm not having much luck with this one: It's a little over an inch long and brown. At first glance it looks like a spider but is has 10 legs, three pairs attached under its large head, and two pairs attached under the abdomen. On its head are two spider eyes facing forward and fangs. Then under the fangs there appears to be two lower mandible pincers facing up towards the fangs. The first pair of legs are thicker then the other three pairs. The insect has a head and a large segmented abdomen. I hope this is enough info, this bug is a bit frightening and I would really like to know what it is!!!!
    Thank-you, Katherine Morrison
    Dear Katherine,
    I would bet you have seen a Solpugid, also known as a Sun Spider or a Wind Scorpion. They are not venomous and are aggressive hunters. We have several photos on our website under Sun Spiders.


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  12. Sorry for the long post!!!!! :oops:
     
  13. The article says right in it that they're not spiders.
     
  14. Its that time of year, when a wind scorpion/camel spiders thoughts turn lightly to l'amour...so they are out in force with their papillae all a-quiver like so many arachnid MDNs in search of lurrrve.

    Typically they are only about 12cms in span but I have seen a bigger one than that in Kuwait and a gang of them in Oman...one is nasty but a dozen of them are pretty uuuuggh.
     
  15. What if a cammel stood on one.