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Police arrest 'creator' of website used to post Neil Lennon hate messages - The Scotsman

Dont know if youve been following this embarassing saga but its big news in Scotland. Firstly we had hastily set-up anti-sectarian "task forces" then we had Emperor Salmond trying to rush through draconian laws and just about every day some tinpot amateur politician or pother pops up and bleats that we "cant have a season like last year for the good of our national game and the good name of Scotland", and now this.

Where does it end? Who decides what is sectarian and offensive etc? After all one man's banter is another man's greatest insult, especially when it comes to football.

Even the police got in the act with Strathclyde's top cop telling us that domestic abuse went through the roof after an Old Firm game; when challenged on this and asked to reveal facts and figures under the Freedom of Information Act his statement was found to be untrue.

Anyway as regards "hate" websites, how will they control it? After all Scottish newspapers gleefully published the name of a certain serial shagging Welsh football player safe in the knowledge that the much-vaunted super injunction did not apply in Scotland. Are SNP decreed anti-hate laws in Scotland therefore worthless in the rest of the UK so people can post bile about the likes of McCoist and Lennon without fear of an early morning door knock?

At the end of the day its all a load of nonsense and reeks of the SNP being populist. Meanwhile European football and beyond suffers from racism,corruption and the like and its hardly a threat to society.
 
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Would any non-jock even bother to post bile about the likes of McCoist and Lennon?

The rest of the world doesn't much care if you lot decide that killing each other in the name of your team/religion/area/colour of skirt is the way forward so the SNP can make as many laws as it wants.
 
#3
Thats exactly my point.

When Cardiff/Millwall/West Ham/Chelsea etc have their regular televised pavement dancing bouts we dont see English politicians trying to make capital out of it. Granted the police and papers might show a few mug shots but thats about it.

And the football related shit in England is far worse than in Scotland.

I fuckin hate the SNP.
 

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There's just something about Lennon's attitude that seems to bring out the worst in folk, or maybe I'm biased but definitely there wasn't the depth of personal hatred towards say Martin O'Neill and most of the abuse against the likes of Strachan and Mowbury seemed to come from Celtic fans themselves.
 

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Thats exactly my point.

When Cardiff/Millwall/West Ham/Chelsea etc have their regular televised pavement dancing bouts we dont see English politicians trying to make capital out of it. Granted the police and papers might show a few mug shots but thats about it.

And the football related shit in England is far worse than in Scotland.

I fuckin hate the SNP.
Aye but the problem in Scotland, and Galsgow in particular is that during any Old Firm derby day there is a significant rise in both domestic abuse and street violence.
It doesnae happen when they play other teams just derby days.
 
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Well when you are independent and free from us nasty Imperialist English then I will give even less of a **** than I do now.
 

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People who derive pleasure from beating their wives rarely need the occasion of a football match to set them going. I'm sure that if a football match were unavailable, these lowlifes would soon contrive some other excuse.
Don't think there was ever any pleasure, it was a while back but basically went to pub, if wrong team won, then he'd get drunk and frustrated and take it out. Didn't happen if his team lost any other week, only old firm matches.

Am sure that things have not chnaged that much in certains parts of Lanarkshire.
 
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Don't think there was ever any pleasure, it was a while back but basically went to pub, if wrong team won, then he'd get drunk and frustrated and take it out. Didn't happen if his team lost any other week, only old firm matches.
I don't doubt you that that was his preferred occasion. All I meant was that, shorn of football as an excuse, he'd soon have found another.
 

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I fuckin hate the SNP.
I think you'll find that the first 'summit on sectarianism' was instigated by Jack McConnell back in 2005 so the SNP aren't exactly the only party to jump on Old Firm populism. He compounded his error by claiming it was Scotland's shame when it's quite empirically not: It's Glasgow's (or the west of Scotland's) shame.

You'll never hear religious abuse flung at Falkirk Vs Raith (for example)
 
#19
Sorry mate, I volunteer with Victim Support. There's a significant rise in domestic abuse referrals after an Old Firm game. I normally have 1 or 2 referrals a week with domestic abuse featuring in less than 10% of them but after an OF game I can sometimes have 3 or 4 referrals linked to OF-related abuse. And that's in the Central Belt - my colleagues in Glasgow itself struggle to cope.

Don't know where that journo is getting his facts, but they don't relate to the reality.
 
#20
Scottish sectarianism? Let's lay this myth to rest | Steve Bruce | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk


Interesting article about the "scourge" of sectarianism by the Guardian (of all papers!)
I think that article misses the point - the sectarianism is a microcosm of Northern Irish culture existing in Scotland. He seems to be trying to define the "Old Firm" situation in terms of a Scottish phenomenon and then goes on to say he has seen sectarianism for real in NI and Rangers and Celtic is not the same? The songs and imagery of the sectarian element of both sides are complelely derivative and influenced by Northern Ireland and as an English person have always seen the Old Firm situation as an Northern Irish enclave in Scotland.

Concerning Neil Lennon - he has the wrong temperament for the job IMO and cannot play the game (in terms of diplomacy and politics) in the way Martin O'Neil did for example.

I too look forward to living in an Independant England where the issues above are of interest but not connected to my country.
 

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