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Big Charlie (HMS PoW) Breaks Down

All of which are entirely valid points.

But my points remain - no one cares. If we use that as the opening premise, rather than expecting gratitude, perhaps it might come across a little better…

You could turn that around and ask why should they care. Which would mean explaining routine things such as keeping tabs on less than friendly submarines or intercepting less than friendly aircraft. Why wait for the BBC/Sky/Chris Terill to do it? This would also stop the Russians et al from bring able to spread misinformation.

Perhaps saying things like this will help?

For all the capability of Duncan and other major warships, they – and any merchant shipping – are vulnerable to sea mines, just as shipping was through both world wars and, more recently, the ‘tanker war’ in the Gulf in the 1980s.

The scenario saw a minefield placed across a simulated narrow chokepoint which, when coupled with the risk of attack from hostile aircraft and fast attack craft, combined to present a formidable obstacle to the passage of ships.

It’s a realistic scenario which either warships or merchant vessels might face around the world.

Seven NATO warships from four countries proved their ability to overcome this complex challenge during the exercise.

A chokepoint – a narrow passage of water where freedom of manoeuvre is limited – funnels high volumes of traffic through a confined space, making them vulnerable to attack from land or water-based foe… and can be relatively easily blocked by sowing mines… costing the global economy millions of pounds every minute.

Hence NATO navies need to be ready to react to keep these vital strategic shipping routes open.

“Both the world economy and our daily existence are utterly reliant on merchant shipping. It is vital that we are able to keep these strategic routes open such that merchant vessels are able to pass through them safely,” said Commodore Paul Stroude, Commander of Maritime Group
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From: HMS Duncan’s NATO task group clears through simulated minefield

I fear that if the exercise had involved one of the carriers launching jets to fend of simulated air attacks, the PR people would have managed to portray the exercise as being all about defending the carrier.
 


HMS Prince of Wales returns to Portsmouth primed for front-line duties - Royal Navy

Britain’s biggest warship is all systems go – and primed for front-line duties – as she returns home to Portsmouth today.

HMS
Prince of Wales has spent the last ten days ramping up for an autumn deployment, which will see the ship operate a multitude of aircraft and drones off the east coast of the United States, pushing the boundaries of carrier operations.

The 65,000-tonne behemoth made ‘calm seas rage’ on a series of trials, putting her upgrades through their paces and ensuring all her state-of-the-art systems were ready for full action.

It was then onto the carrier’s main line of work as the flight deck reopened for business, with Chinook and Merlin helicopters appearing on board during a busy schedule of day and night flying.

HMS
Prince of Wales also worked with F-35B Lightning aircraft – the fifth-generation stealth jet the ship was designed around – and Typhoon fighters on air defence training.

It means both the Royal Navy’s aircraft carriers are now ready for deployments this autumn.

Fleet flagship HMS
Queen Elizabeth completed a period of sea training in June and flying operations with F-35B jets from 617 Squadron and Wildcat and Merlin helicopters across July, readying her for operations in the coming months...
 
Some news for those making daft 'Big Willy' or 'Chucky III' comments:

The King and Princess of Wales take on new Naval appointments - Royal Navy

The nation’s flagship today [Friday] has a new sponsor with His Majesty the King assuming the role from his late mother. And the Princess of Wales will become the honorary head of naval aviation as she assumes the role of Commodore-in-Chief of the Fleet Air Arm.

The appointments are two of many announced by Buckingham Palace today following a review of all military titles and positions held by members of the Royal Family, initiated following the deaths of Queen Elizabeth II and The late Duke of Edinburgh, and the Accession of His Majesty The King.

“I am delighted with today’s announcements,” First Sea Lord Admiral Sir Ben Key said.

“I know the Ship’s Company of HMS
Queen Elizabeth and all of the Fleet Air Arm are very much looking forward to engaging with their new Sponsor and Commodore-in-Chief respectively.

“I am particularly pleased that with The King as her Sponsor, HMS
Queen Elizabeth will continue to be ‘The Monarch’s Carrier’.”

Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II was the sponsor of Portsmouth-based HMS
Queen Elizabeth, formally naming the aircraft carrier in Rosyth, attending the ship’s commissioning and, famously, paying a surprise visit before the vessel sailed on her maiden deployment in 2021...
 
I cannae take it anymore, Cap'n! @alfred_the_great @bob231

Do the people who write articles for the RN website have any English Language qualifications? Spelling and paragraph use would be a good start, but just look at this:

Eel be back – successful Anglo-Norwegian anti-submarine exercise becomes calendar fixture

“The UK’s anti-submarine warfare forces are essential to protect the integrity of our trade routes, energy supply, and undersea communications infrastructure.” - CO RNAS Culdrose

All good, but then:

The Merlin Mk2s which operate from his air station in southwestern Cornwall provide submarine protection for HMS Queen Elizabeth and Prince of Wales (820 Naval Air Squadron), Flights for frigates/RFAs conducting anti-submarine operations chiefly in the North Atlantic (814 NAS) with 824 Squadron feeding both with trained air and ground crew.

Does the carrier not have a possible role protecting trade routes and the energy supply?

Do carrier based aircraft not protect the whole task/strike group including vessels being escorted?

Why does a single Merlin aboard a frigate mean anti submarine operations, but multiple ones aboard a carrier mean protecting the carrier?

If the carrier is deployed in the North Atlantic area on NATO tasking, do the embarked Merlin HM2s not conduct ASW operations?

It was the same last year when HMS Prince of Wales went up North for a NATO ASW exercise, the Merlins were described as 'defending the carrier'...
 
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With respect to the above and Gerald Ratner like PR - I suspect there is little chance of something like a modern version of this 1976 film?

THE ROYAL NAVY AND THE SOVIET THREAT

This was made for the consumption of the British public, although sadly it appears just a few years defence later was being run by politicians who seem to have missed it. It covers the dependence of the UK and Europe on seaborne commerce, and the growing threat posed by the Soviet Navy and the Soviet Naval Air Force.

At approximately 11.00 the coverage of RN (and RM and RAF) capabilities starts. At 14.00 HMS Ark Royal (IV) gets a mention as making an important contribution to NATO - something forgotten about during the carrier related discussions in the early 1960s. At 15.00 her embarked squadron of ASW Sea Kings is mentioned in terms of providing an essential element in the anti submarine warfare defence of the force. None of this nonsense about (just) defending the carrier.

At 22.35 we get told about 'the most important surface ship of the future' - the 'anti submarine cruiser'. The point is made that a carrier provides easily the most cost effective means of deploying large anti submarine helicopters to sea in worthwhile numbers as well as command facilities for a task group. From 24.15 the presenter mentions that these ships will carry the Sea Harrier to supplement land based air cover for the fleet outside the range of shore bases and mentions dealing with shadowing aircraft used by the Soviets for targeting long range missiles.
 
I cannae take it anymore, Cap'n! @alfred_the_great @bob231

Do the people who write articles for the RN website have any English Language qualifications? Spelling and paragraph use would be a good start, but just look at this:

Eel be back – successful Anglo-Norwegian anti-submarine exercise becomes calendar fixture

“The UK’s anti-submarine warfare forces are essential to protect the integrity of our trade routes, energy supply, and undersea communications infrastructure.” - CO RNAS Culdrose

All good, but then:

The Merlin Mk2s which operate from his air station in southwestern Cornwall provide submarine protection for HMS Queen Elizabeth and Prince of Wales (820 Naval Air Squadron), Flights for frigates/RFAs conducting anti-submarine operations chiefly in the North Atlantic (814 NAS) with 824 Squadron feeding both with trained air and ground crew.

Does the carrier not have a possible role protecting trade routes and the energy supply?

Do carrier based aircraft not protect the whole task/strike group including vessels being escorted?

Why does a single Merlin aboard a frigate mean anti submarine operations, but multiple ones aboard a carrier mean protecting the carrier?

If the carrier is deployed in the North Atlantic area on NATO tasking, do the embarked Merlin HM2s not conduct ASW operations?

It was the same last year when HMS Prince of Wales went up North for a NATO ASW exercise, the Merlins were described as 'defending the carrier'...

What you’ve got to bear in mind pal, is that no one else (and I do mean no one) gives half as much of a sh!t about this as you do.
 
What you’ve got to bear in mind pal, is that no one else (and I do mean no one) gives half as much of a sh!t about this as you do.

My mind has been damaged by dealing with county council types who have built a Soviet like bureaucracy. Arrogance, secrecy, a refusal to admit mistakes seems to be the hallmark of the Politburo, as is telling me that I am wrong about things I see everyday. A lot of these problems would been avoided by things being documented properly. I am of course talking of being a carer, but I have other bitter experiences of misconduct by officialdom.

The other point is that how can public support be relied upon if they are not presented with facts? Again this is not limited to defence.
 
She sailed yesterday.

HMS Prince of Wales heads to USA to shape future of naval aviation - Royal Navy

Britain’s biggest warship today sailed for her autumn deployment – her longest yet, pushing the limits of aircraft carrier operations with drones, fifth-generation stealth fighters, tilt-rotors and helicopters.

HMS
Prince of Wales departs Portsmouth for the Eastern Seaboard of the USA to revolutionise the way the Royal Navy operates Carrier Strike Groups.

By the time she returns home shortly before Christmas, the ship will have:

• operated advanced drone technologies, demonstrating the delivery of vital supplies without the need to use helicopters;
• landed and launched F-35 Lightning stealth fighters in more ways, more quickly and in the harshest of sea conditions to increase the strike carrier’s firepower;
• and increased the range and conditions in which the US Marine Corps’ impressive MV-22 Osprey tilt rotor aircraft can operate.

Once in the Channel the ship’s company will conduct trials with UK-firm W Autonomous Systems to assess the feasibility of drones delivering supplies to Royal Navy vessels at sea – initially flying in up to 100kg of stores...
 
Is anyone still keeping tabs on HMS Prince of Wales using Marine Traffic or similar? Both shafts now seem to be working as designed, as indicated by her speed:



Amazing if you believe all the tabloid stories and rumours of her being mothballed and stripped for parts. Any chance of the usual suspects admitting that they were wrong?


I thought it had been sunk by the Argies and we made a new one, convince me different.
 
First time I’ve heard of UK trialling the Mojave drone for resupply.

Wouldn’t a wider lifting type body be better for payload and endurance rather than what looks like a Predator type?

They do have range and payload in hard points, probably smaller for ship space, but I can help think storage will be different shape to what’s usually shipped to fit in some underwing pods?

Suppose you could attach missiles to it for transport instead of launch, or is the idea to work out if it’s a useful Capability and build on that?
 
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