Biden: Palestinians deserve state

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35794859/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa
RAMALLAH, West Bank - Vice President Joe Biden's displeasure over an Israeli plan to enlarge an east Jerusalem settlement was on display Wednesday as he warned against actions that "inflame tensions" and reassured his Palestinian hosts that they deserve a sustainable, independent state.

The Israeli plans have overshadowed Biden's visit, meant to promote a new round of U.S.-led negotiations, and drew Palestinian accusations that Israel is not serious about peace. Israel apologized for embarrassing Biden with the timing of its announcement, but made clear it had no intention of reversing its plan.

Clearly the Israelis are being stunningly stupid here. Their PR is non-existant, they have very few friends in that corner of the world and then they pull this.

I know that Biden is a tool, but wtf.... Israel now needs to step up and show that they mean what they say.
 
#3
Biden's right! However, the Palestinians already have a state, it's just that the Israelis nicked it off them when they illegally founded their own.

MsG
 
#4
Israel couldn't care less. They're probably counting on the republicans returning in a few years and just want to wait the current president out.
 
#5
Bugsy said:
Biden's right! However, the Palestinians already have a state, it's just that the Israelis nicked it off them when they illegally founded their own.

MsG
Actually the Palestinians already have a homeland, it is called Jordan, Israel was merely what was once Britsh mandated Palestine and as a matter fo fact one of the reasons there were so many Jews in the area was because Arabs sold them the land.

Amazing how anti semitic the kefties are, how they align themselkves with people sworn to destroy Jews and then call anyone who dares question Islam fascists... I just love the hypocrisy!

As for outsiders illegally founding a state... how about Kosovo?
 
#6
Bugsy said:
Biden's right! However, the Palestinians already have a state, it's just that the Israelis nicked it off them when they illegally founded their own.

MsG
I challenge you to name one, just one, sovereign country that didn't become so by that very manner at some point in history.

Just one.
 
#7
ghost_us said:
Bugsy said:
Biden's right! However, the Palestinians already have a state, it's just that the Israelis nicked it off them when they illegally founded their own.

MsG
I challenge you to name one, just one, sovereign country that didn't become so by that very manner at some point in history.

Just one.
Tuvalu.
 
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ghost_us said:
Bugsy said:
Biden's right! However, the Palestinians already have a state, it's just that the Israelis nicked it off them when they illegally founded their own.

MsG
I challenge you to name one, just one, sovereign country that didn't become so by that very manner at some point in history.

Just one.
Oh, I see. So that makes it legitimate, does it? So what if the Mexicans invaded Texas and annexed it, since it was originally theirs in the first place, and had the hardware to keep you Septics at bay. Then they proceeded to treat the Texans like shite. Would that also be legitimate, in your opinion?

MsG
 
#10
This is an angry Biden, he does few thing well apart from frothing at the mouth angry.

The poor dumb grinning ape walked right onto it. Prior to this visit he very publicly grovelled on his belly to Bibi stupidly promising everlasting unconditional love between DC and the Jewish state. Already in a diplomatic kow tow he was then carelessly bitch slapped by a well timed settlement construction announcement trashing DC's policy direction. The intent was clearly abject humiliation and it succeeded admirably.

Biden is an idiot but he knows there are few votes in bracing Bibi. I expect him to cave and smile while he takes a thorough pumping shortly.
 
#11
ottar said:
ghost_us said:
Bugsy said:
Biden's right! However, the Palestinians already have a state, it's just that the Israelis nicked it off them when they illegally founded their own.

MsG
I challenge you to name one, just one, sovereign country that didn't become so by that very manner at some point in history.

Just one.
Tuvalu.
The first inhabitants of Tuvalu were Polynesian people. The islands came under the UK's sphere of influence in the late 19th century. The Ellice Islands were administered by Britain as part of a protectorate from 1892 to 1916 and as part of the Gilbert and Ellice Islands Colony from 1916 to 1974
Try again.
 
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InVinoVeritas said:
Actually the Palestinians already have a homeland, it is called Jordan
That's one Palestinian state, sure. But there is also a Palestinian state in the West Bank, and, as I have not heard of any loud bangs from that particular locality lately, I assume that they have now finally learnt to more or less get along with their Israeli neighbours.

That leaves the third Palestinian state, in the Gaza strip, for whiners to bleat about. This is also a state that the Palestinians undisputably have, as the Israelis have not yet been provoked into taking it off them, despite their unpleasant habit of firing rockets into Israel from time to time. What the whiners seem to be complaining about is the fact that Israel has closed its border with the Gazan Palestinian state. Oddly, one hears very few whines about the Egyptians having done exactly the same thing, despite the fact that no Palestinian rockets have, as far as I kmow, been aimed at Egypt.

Still, if somebody would like to phone up Mr. Biden and tell him that the Palestinians are already in undisputed possession of three states, perhaps it would set his mind at rest on the matter. Althougn why he can't work this out for himself rather eludes me.

All the best,

John.
 
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Bugsy said:
Biden's right! However, the Palestinians already have a state, it's just that the Israelis nicked it off them when they illegally founded their own.
Palestine was part of the Ottoman Empire which was dissolved after WWI. Israel didn't nick a state because there wasn't one. Whether the Israeli's had the right to establish their own state in that particular area of the world is quite another question. Fact remains there is an independent Jewish state and no Palestinian one at the moment. Arafat c.s. had their chance in the 1990s but blew it.

In a way it's ironic Biden believes the Palestinians are mature enough to have their own state yet can't be held accountable for their own f*ck ups. Nice prospect to have yet another failed tribal state in the region....
 
#15
How is it that the Americans have decided that if they treat their enemies as if they're friends, everything will work out OK, and if they treat their friends as if they're enemies, that'll be OK too?

I used to think that Obama was just Tony Blair with a suntan. Now I'm not sure he's that clever.
 

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#16
Bugsy said:
ghost_us said:
Bugsy said:
Biden's right! However, the Palestinians already have a state, it's just that the Israelis nicked it off them when they illegally founded their own.

MsG
I challenge you to name one, just one, sovereign country that didn't become so by that very manner at some point in history.

Just one.
Oh, I see. So that makes it legitimate, does it? So what if the Mexicans invaded Texas and annexed it, since it was originally theirs in the first place, and had the hardware to keep you Septics at bay. Then they proceeded to treat the Texans like shite. Would that also be legitimate, in your opinion?

MsG
Actually, the Mexicans didn't. The Spanish occupiers of Mexico did. The Aztecs had nothing to do with it as most of them had already been killed when their lands got stolen. The original title of Mexican lands under Spanish occuption was called 'New Spain'.

:D
 
#17
I suspect that the move made by the Israelis was coordinated with Washington.

They are just political games with so called 'protests' and 'efforts' to begin negotiations.
 
#18
ghost_us said:
Clearly the Israelis are being stunningly stupid here. Their PR is non-existant, they have very few friends in that corner of the world and then they pull this.
I see it differently.

Israel has been gradually backtracked to some of its key red lines. Red lines that frankly it needs to rethink if it genuinely wants lasting peace. However, they have yet to see that reality and are thus concerned that their bargaining position has little depth.

Thus, they have decided to create 'depth'. By creating new issues that can be negotiated away, they avoid having to negotiate on the more thorny issues.

What concerns me is the possibility that Washington could be in on this scam too.
 

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