BFT in Boots and Lightweights?

#1
Now that we have the BFT back on track after all the failed years of the softly softly approach and BPFA, should we now have a campaign to bring back the BFT being run in boots? I can never remember seeing anyone soldiering in Helmand wearing New Balance and Nike Shorts. No doubt some will bleet about 'injuries' and all that BX..
 
#2
As someone who has shagged knees from years of running in boots, of course I'm going to bleet about it!
 
#4
Last time I did a BFT in boots was Blandford 1998. That lovely run from the cinema to Engineers Corner and back. Didn't have a problem with 3 mile round trip. Both of my knees are shagged now, is there a need to do it in boots?
 
#6
sudafed said:
Now that we have the BFT back on track after all the failed years of the softly softly approach and BPFA, should we now have a campaign to bring back the BFT being run in boots? I can never remember seeing anyone soldiering in Helmand wearing New Balance and Nike Shorts. No doubt some will bleet about 'injuries' and all that BX..
Whats softly softly about it? You fail, you get one more chance and then a medical. If theres nothing physically wrong you get thrashed on remidials I fail to see whats so soft about that. The PFT isnt suppossed to simulate battlefield conditions, its a test of cardiovascular fitness and muscular endurance. Boots are for CFT's.

Maybe if you took your rose tinted glasses off and thought about it, maybe theres a reason they changed the BFT. Perhaps all the "bleating" about "injuries" wasnt "BX" afterall.

And if you stop and think what the blokes on the ground are achieving in Iraq/afghan I dont think theres much credence in the claim that the British Army is somehow worse off without the old BFT.
 
#7
sudafed said:
I can never remember seeing anyone soldiering in Helmand wearing New Balance and Nike Shorts
Applying that logic, we should be doing it in full kit and weapons with someone firing 7.62 short over our heads.

I can see the British 2012 Olympic team soon losing interest in being accommodated in Aldershot if that catches on?!!
 
#8
Whiskybreath said:
The entire Army of five decades past should have 'shagged knees' according to some. Bx.
Ask any decent Physio what they think about a BFT in boots,on a hard surface,the answer is always WTFF,go ahead if you want shite leg joints in later life.

It's not 5 decades,came in later 70's,brainchild of Maj.Gen. "Monkey" Blacker. RMP. The turd finalised,all the age related timings,and signed them off,2 weeks before his retirement,the word a***hole springs to mind.

If you want a real laugh,go to a civvy athletics club,and see how well trained athletes do at their first attempt in boots.
 
#9
Boots on a hard surface is alaways going to be a difficult one, the Doc always puts running on a hard surface in trainers as something to avoid. THe PFT in trainers and the CFT in boots is a good balance IMHO. I'm not sure about the age/gender balance though.
 
#12
Go on then, I will show my age . . . :wink:

Why not bring back the old "Ten Mile Bash", where a troop of soldiers marched together carrying pack and gun, then fire ten rounds at the end of it, as opposed to boots and lightwieght's and run like rabbits and as individuals, NOT as a team together!

[/b]Bring back the 10 Mile Bash!
 
#13
I didn't see any problem doing it in boots (I even had puttees flapping in the wind!) Personally I thought it was bollocks about it doing your knees in, I'm now in my 40's and have never had any probs so far and I'm still clocking over a 1000 miles a year running, the only thing sore is the chaffing of my fatter arse cheeks!
 
#14
I am a bit older than j-d and have no problems with my knees either,and I walk about 9 or 10 miles a day 6 days a week,maybe I am lucky
 
#16
Also never had probs with knees. Problem is a bit like 'shin splints' - perception rather than reality.
 
#17
In 22 years I estimate I did about a hundred or so BFTs (our PTIs lacked any creativity when putting a PT session together) of which around 50% were the boots and denims version.

No problems with my knees, in fact my back was my weak link to which I am sure the CFT contributed. If it wasn't for that I would still be happily shuffling the roads . . .
 
#18
Whiskybreath said:
The entire Army of five decades past should have 'shagged knees' according to some. Bx.
I have, standing up sounds like a castanet player waming up, and is accompanied by exquisite pain and a lexicon of swearwords.
 
#19
still21inmymind said:
Whiskybreath said:
The entire Army of five decades past should have 'shagged knees' according to some. Bx.
I have, standing up sounds like a castanet player waming up, and is accompanied by exquisite pain and a lexicon of swearwords.
Sounds like the result of an overdose of bunnyhops early in one's career. I've got problems with knees (shoulders, heart, liver, eyes, ears, joints etc etc), but from a number of other clearly identifiable causes. I've never had any problems using boots, and have difficulty understanding why some people apprently do. Is it the weight? Shape? Flexibility?

Edit/PS As you can see <--- I've carried on using issue boots since leaving the Army all those years ago. Good for kicking thorns, snakes, geologists.
 
#20
CharlieBubbles said:
Go on then, I will show my age . . . :wink:

Why not bring back the old "Ten Mile Bash", where a troop of soldiers marched together carrying pack and gun, then fire ten rounds at the end of it, as opposed to boots and lightwieght's and run like rabbits and as individuals, NOT as a team together!

[/b]Bring back the 10 Mile Bash!


Because in them days many of the support arms were seriously unfit. The 10 mile bash needed lots of planning, took people off work for a whole morning and was a right beggars muddle to re-arrange if you failed so the retakes were usually forgotten. The new style BFT, originally 2 miles as a squad then 1 mile individual, was brought in during the early 70s. It took just about half an hour so was dead simple to take re-runs for failures. It was changed to the 1 and a half, 1 and a half a year or two after. I noticed an incredible change in fitness during the next 5 years or so. (Not including combat arms in this as they always did a lot of fitness training).
 

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