BFG your car - Why?

#1
Just pondering all the threads on here reference BFGing your car, and reading between the lines, if you bring a car in from the UK that YOU own, YOU insure and YOU have paid tax on it, why does it need to be BFG'd?!!

It seems to be an excuse to make a soldiers life as difficult as possible -

BFG offices dont seem to helpful nor speedy so:

1. I cant drive drive it after 30 days - WHY? Its insured (including for Europe) It belongs to me. I own it. Ive had continental headlights fitted. I will drive it, thank you.

2. It has to have a BFG plate. WHY? Security? It's still a british plate.

3. Perks? Fuel coupons. Big deal.

4. Cons? More than it seems to be worth!!

I can see the attraction of buying a tax free car, but one that l own, and have owned for 7 years, whats the issue?
 
#2
BFG'g your car isn't such a big deal, it's the rules live with it. Oh and free car tax and the fuel coupons are a decent perk, not many of them left is there.
 
#3
Because otherwise, you would have to register it on the German system and it would have to meet TüV standard test requirements not MoT. You would also have to use a German insurance company, not a UK one. Everytime you were posted inside BAOR, or even from one district to another, you would have to re-register your car at your own cost, including new number plates.

Not too sure, but it may also have an impact on using a UK driving license, as these are usually only valid for short stays of upto 3 months.
 
#5
BFG your car - Why?
Because you'll get your botty smacked if you don't by the RO1 that "owns" the system.

And what was said above.

Yes, the system is fcuking antiquated, full of garbage rules and quite frankly absurd. But it is the only one we've got and they haven't the wit or gumption to change it.

Oh, and then you have the input of C&I to contend with.
 
#6
Recce19 said:
Because otherwise, you would have to register it on the German system and it would have to meet TüV standard test requirements not MoT. You would also have to use a German insurance company, not a UK one. Everytime you were posted inside BAOR, or even from one district to another, you would have to re-register your car at your own cost, including new number plates.

Not too sure, but it may also have an impact on using a UK driving license, as these are usually only valid for short stays of upto 3 months.
Crikey

BAOR - BFG, German insurance is actually cheaper than its UK counterpart, driving licences now are EU friendly so I can drive for as long as I want in the continent.

You are also forgetting that we pay no road tax either, fuel is subsidised as are car parts etc. All we have to do is swop the headlights, make sure its roadworthy and hey ho, no road tax cheap fuel and relatively cheap insurance.

If you would prefer to take your car back to the UK to swop its headlights MOT it road tax it then drive back on tax paid fuel - crack on fella
 
#7
BIPOLAR77 said:
Recce19 said:
Because otherwise, you would have to register it on the German system and it would have to meet TüV standard test requirements not MoT. You would also have to use a German insurance company, not a UK one. Everytime you were posted inside BAOR, or even from one district to another, you would have to re-register your car at your own cost, including new number plates.

Not too sure, but it may also have an impact on using a UK driving license, as these are usually only valid for short stays of upto 3 months.
Crikey

BAOR - BFG, German insurance is actually cheaper than its UK counterpart, driving licences now are EU friendly so I can drive for as long as I want in the continent.

You are also forgetting that we pay no road tax either, fuel is subsidised as are car parts etc. All we have to do is swop the headlights, make sure its roadworthy and hey ho, no road tax cheap fuel and relatively cheap insurance.

If you would prefer to take your car back to the UK to swop its headlights MOT it road tax it then drive back on tax paid fuel - crack on fella
Erm, no you can't. I believe it is only so whilst the BFG agreement is in place. I had to pay for my UK license to be re-issued by the German authorities and they held onto my UK one. They are only 'EU friendly' for holidays, visits and to generally travel around. After 3 months (or is it 6, memory fade), you are legally required to get it changed. If you don't, then you are also driving without insurance. An ex-squaddie mate of mine, fell foul of this when he moved over here, cost him several hundred DM at the time.

As for the German insurance, I was on about German insurance for German registered cars; not BFG.
 
#8
well i married a german lady who had her own car on the german system, had a TUV and german insurance and was obviously legally road worthy in accordance with german law, would the camp issue her a car pass? no of course not cos all vehicles have to be BFG'd. Fair enough we thought and since we didnt really need the car to go on camp we just left well enough alone. Then one day I get a snot-agram telling me that if my german wife with her german license, driving her german car in germany then I will be charged. Go figure. so we got the car BFG'd.

Also I believe the BFG system is to insure that british cars are long term road worthy for use in a country where remember there is no speed limit as apposed to just 70mph and that the headlights are switched to shine the other way which is fair enough.
 
#9
naked_mole_rat said:
well i married a german lady who had her own car on the german system, had a TUV and german insurance and was obviously legally road worthy in accordance with german law, would the camp issue her a car pass? no of course not cos all vehicles have to be BFG'd. Fair enough we thought and since we didnt really need the car to go on camp we just left well enough alone. Then one day I get a snot-agram telling me that if my german wife with her german license, driving her german car in germany then I will be charged. Go figure. so we got the car BFG'd.

Also I believe the BFG system is to insure that british cars are long term road worthy for use in a country where remember there is no speed limit as apposed to just 70mph and that the headlights are switched to shine the other way which is fair enough.
Be interested to see what the charge would have been. As the car belonged to your wife - a German national, living in her own country, I would be surprised that they could do anything. I know things will have changed a bit since I was in, but I clearly remember couples in the same situation and not being hassled. I would also like to hear, what they would have to say about her driving a BFG'd car (long term) on a German license and how it would affect your UK insurance.
 

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#11
Recce19 said:
BIPOLAR77 said:
Recce19 said:
Because otherwise, you would have to register it on the German system and it would have to meet TüV standard test requirements not MoT. You would also have to use a German insurance company, not a UK one. Everytime you were posted inside BAOR, or even from one district to another, you would have to re-register your car at your own cost, including new number plates.

Not too sure, but it may also have an impact on using a UK driving license, as these are usually only valid for short stays of upto 3 months.
Crikey

BAOR - BFG, German insurance is actually cheaper than its UK counterpart, driving licences now are EU friendly so I can drive for as long as I want in the continent.

You are also forgetting that we pay no road tax either, fuel is subsidised as are car parts etc. All we have to do is swop the headlights, make sure its roadworthy and hey ho, no road tax cheap fuel and relatively cheap insurance.

If you would prefer to take your car back to the UK to swop its headlights MOT it road tax it then drive back on tax paid fuel - crack on fella
Erm, no you can't. I believe it is only so whilst the BFG agreement is in place. I had to pay for my UK license to be re-issued by the German authorities and they held onto my UK one. They are only 'EU friendly' for holidays, visits and to generally travel around. After 3 months (or is it 6, memory fade), you are legally required to get it changed. If you don't, then you are also driving without insurance. An ex-squaddie mate of mine, fell foul of this when he moved over here, cost him several hundred DM at the time.

As for the German insurance, I was on about German insurance for German registered cars; not BFG.
I dont think this is true. I have used my UK license while living in Europe for more than 15 years. Including for court cases, insurance claims, hiring HGV etc. An EU license is valid anywhere in the EU. I have 3 properties in 3 different EU countries (UK,FR,DE) - should I have 3 licenses?
 
#12
BFG personnel are not allowed to register their vehicles on the German net. Those who fail to register with BFGVLO within the time limit risk prosecution by the German authorities or their own unit should they be caught, which is admittedly unlikely, but a few soldiers have insisted on finding out the hard way what the consequences are.
 
#13
Alsacien said:
Recce19 said:
BIPOLAR77 said:
Recce19 said:
Because otherwise, you would have to register it on the German system and it would have to meet TüV standard test requirements not MoT. You would also have to use a German insurance company, not a UK one. Everytime you were posted inside BAOR, or even from one district to another, you would have to re-register your car at your own cost, including new number plates.

Not too sure, but it may also have an impact on using a UK driving license, as these are usually only valid for short stays of upto 3 months.
Crikey

BAOR - BFG, German insurance is actually cheaper than its UK counterpart, driving licences now are EU friendly so I can drive for as long as I want in the continent.

You are also forgetting that we pay no road tax either, fuel is subsidised as are car parts etc. All we have to do is swop the headlights, make sure its roadworthy and hey ho, no road tax cheap fuel and relatively cheap insurance.

If you would prefer to take your car back to the UK to swop its headlights MOT it road tax it then drive back on tax paid fuel - crack on fella
Erm, no you can't. I believe it is only so whilst the BFG agreement is in place. I had to pay for my UK license to be re-issued by the German authorities and they held onto my UK one. They are only 'EU friendly' for holidays, visits and to generally travel around. After 3 months (or is it 6, memory fade), you are legally required to get it changed. If you don't, then you are also driving without insurance. An ex-squaddie mate of mine, fell foul of this when he moved over here, cost him several hundred DM at the time.

As for the German insurance, I was on about German insurance for German registered cars; not BFG.
I dont think this is true. I have used my UK license while living in Europe for more than 15 years. Including for court cases, insurance claims, hiring HGV etc. An EU license is valid anywhere in the EU. I have 3 properties in 3 different EU countries (UK,FR,DE) - should I have 3 licenses?
Either you misunderstood what I said, or I am not being clear. I meant if you are registered in an EU country - in this case Germany - then you must by law, hold a license issued by that country. It is valid for all other EU countries for the purpose of travel, holiday but not for permenent use in that country.

Update!
OK, just done some digging. Found out I have been mis-informed by the German State :evil: It appears that they changed the law and didn't bother telling anyone in the Verkehrsamt in Dortmund :roll:

I want my money back!
 

Alsacien

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#14
Recce19 said:
Alsacien said:
Recce19 said:
BIPOLAR77 said:
Recce19 said:
Because otherwise, you would have to register it on the German system and it would have to meet TüV standard test requirements not MoT. You would also have to use a German insurance company, not a UK one. Everytime you were posted inside BAOR, or even from one district to another, you would have to re-register your car at your own cost, including new number plates.

Not too sure, but it may also have an impact on using a UK driving license, as these are usually only valid for short stays of upto 3 months.
Crikey

BAOR - BFG, German insurance is actually cheaper than its UK counterpart, driving licences now are EU friendly so I can drive for as long as I want in the continent.

You are also forgetting that we pay no road tax either, fuel is subsidised as are car parts etc. All we have to do is swop the headlights, make sure its roadworthy and hey ho, no road tax cheap fuel and relatively cheap insurance.

If you would prefer to take your car back to the UK to swop its headlights MOT it road tax it then drive back on tax paid fuel - crack on fella
Erm, no you can't. I believe it is only so whilst the BFG agreement is in place. I had to pay for my UK license to be re-issued by the German authorities and they held onto my UK one. They are only 'EU friendly' for holidays, visits and to generally travel around. After 3 months (or is it 6, memory fade), you are legally required to get it changed. If you don't, then you are also driving without insurance. An ex-squaddie mate of mine, fell foul of this when he moved over here, cost him several hundred DM at the time.

As for the German insurance, I was on about German insurance for German registered cars; not BFG.
I dont think this is true. I have used my UK license while living in Europe for more than 15 years. Including for court cases, insurance claims, hiring HGV etc. An EU license is valid anywhere in the EU. I have 3 properties in 3 different EU countries (UK,FR,DE) - should I have 3 licenses?
Either you misunderstood what I said, or I am not being clear. I meant if you are registered in an EU country - in this case Germany - then you must by law, hold a license issued by that country. It is valid for all other EU countries for the purpose of travel, holiday but not for permenent use in that country.

Update!
OK, just done some digging. Found out I have been mis-informed by the German State :evil: It appears that they changed the law and didn't bother telling anyone in the Verkehrsamt in Dortmund :roll:

I want my money back!
I am registered in France and Germany and I am on the electoral role in UK. I have an ID card for both FR and DE, a firearms license in both, a UK passport, and can vote in all 3 countries. But I still just have a UK driving license, so you have indeed been fed BS by ill-informed beamter's.
In my experience you have to know the law and your rights better than German civil servants or you get fobbed off.
 
#15
Alsacien said:
I am registered in France and Germany and I am on the electoral role in UK. I have an ID card for both FR and DE, a firearms license in both, a UK passport, and can vote in all 3 countries. But I still just have a UK driving license, so you have indeed been fed BS by ill-informed beamter's.
In my experience you have to know the law and your rights better than German civil servants or you get fobbed off.
Yep, I know what you mean. :evil: However, I must admit, it did work out in my favour. Upon re-issue, I got another 5 years on my HGV1 (C+E) before I have to have a medical. :D
 
#16
Alsacien said:
I am registered in France and Germany and I am on the electoral role in UK. I have an ID card for both FR and DE, a firearms license in both, a UK passport, and can vote in all 3 countries. But I still just have a UK driving license, so you have indeed been fed BS by ill-informed beamter's.
In my experience you have to know the law and your rights better than German civil servants or you get fobbed off.
I would say ANY civil servants and so not just Germany.

I'm still bimbling around on a Dutch driving license but will be exchanging that for a French one at the end of the year.
 

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#17
Recce19 said:
Alsacien said:
I am registered in France and Germany and I am on the electoral role in UK. I have an ID card for both FR and DE, a firearms license in both, a UK passport, and can vote in all 3 countries. But I still just have a UK driving license, so you have indeed been fed BS by ill-informed beamter's.
In my experience you have to know the law and your rights better than German civil servants or you get fobbed off.
Yep, I know what you mean. :evil: However, I must admit, it did work out in my favour. Upon re-issue, I got another 5 years on my HGV1 (C+E) before I have to have a medical. :D
I thought of swapping also as I have HGV 2+ but on the German license this gets upped to HGV 1. Not that I would ever attempt to drive an artic anyway...
 

Alsacien

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#18
mistersoft said:
Alsacien said:
I am registered in France and Germany and I am on the electoral role in UK. I have an ID card for both FR and DE, a firearms license in both, a UK passport, and can vote in all 3 countries. But I still just have a UK driving license, so you have indeed been fed BS by ill-informed beamter's.
In my experience you have to know the law and your rights better than German civil servants or you get fobbed off.
I would say ANY civil servants and so not just Germany.

I'm still bimbling around on a Dutch driving license but will be exchanging that for a French one at the end of the year.
Will you still be able to drive on the left if you visit UK :?
 
#19
Alsacien said:
Recce19 said:
Alsacien said:
Recce19 said:
BIPOLAR77 said:
Recce19 said:
Because otherwise, you would have to register it on the German system and it would have to meet TüV standard test requirements not MoT. You would also have to use a German insurance company, not a UK one. Everytime you were posted inside BAOR, or even from one district to another, you would have to re-register your car at your own cost, including new number plates.

Not too sure, but it may also have an impact on using a UK driving license, as these are usually only valid for short stays of upto 3 months.
Crikey

BAOR - BFG, German insurance is actually cheaper than its UK counterpart, driving licences now are EU friendly so I can drive for as long as I want in the continent.

You are also forgetting that we pay no road tax either, fuel is subsidised as are car parts etc. All we have to do is swop the headlights, make sure its roadworthy and hey ho, no road tax cheap fuel and relatively cheap insurance.

If you would prefer to take your car back to the UK to swop its headlights MOT it road tax it then drive back on tax paid fuel - crack on fella
Erm, no you can't. I believe it is only so whilst the BFG agreement is in place. I had to pay for my UK license to be re-issued by the German authorities and they held onto my UK one. They are only 'EU friendly' for holidays, visits and to generally travel around. After 3 months (or is it 6, memory fade), you are legally required to get it changed. If you don't, then you are also driving without insurance. An ex-squaddie mate of mine, fell foul of this when he moved over here, cost him several hundred DM at the time.

As for the German insurance, I was on about German insurance for German registered cars; not BFG.
I dont think this is true. I have used my UK license while living in Europe for more than 15 years. Including for court cases, insurance claims, hiring HGV etc. An EU license is valid anywhere in the EU. I have 3 properties in 3 different EU countries (UK,FR,DE) - should I have 3 licenses?
Either you misunderstood what I said, or I am not being clear. I meant if you are registered in an EU country - in this case Germany - then you must by law, hold a license issued by that country. It is valid for all other EU countries for the purpose of travel, holiday but not for permenent use in that country.

Update!
OK, just done some digging. Found out I have been mis-informed by the German State :evil: It appears that they changed the law and didn't bother telling anyone in the Verkehrsamt in Dortmund :roll:

I want my money back!
I am registered in France and Germany and I am on the electoral role in UK. I have an ID card for both FR and DE, a firearms license in both, a UK passport, and can vote in all 3 countries. But I still just have a UK driving license, so you have indeed been fed BS by ill-informed beamter's.
In my experience you have to know the law and your rights better than German civil servants or you get fobbed off.
Interesting statement there Alsacien, when I registered here as a voter I was given a written notice by the Federal Authorities to the effect that as a European citizen I could vote in England or Germany but not both. The principal one man one vote applies. As for BS from German civil serpents. Shock, horror, whatever next? Actally in my job official BS is part of my daily fare.
 
#20
mistersoft said:
Alsacien said:
I am registered in France and Germany and I am on the electoral role in UK. I have an ID card for both FR and DE, a firearms license in both, a UK passport, and can vote in all 3 countries. But I still just have a UK driving license, so you have indeed been fed BS by ill-informed beamter's.
In my experience you have to know the law and your rights better than German civil servants or you get fobbed off.
I would say ANY civil servants and so not just Germany.

I'm still bimbling around on a Dutch driving license but will be exchanging that for a French one at the end of the year.
Most countries, if you are living there (ie full time home, paying taxes etc (although how it works with tax exiles I don't know), allow a period on the license of your country of origin. It then depends on where that license is from whether you just get a straight swap or have to take another test.

In the UK for car drivers on EU licences this is now 3 years or until age 70, whichever is the longer!! Therefore doesn't appear you have to swap it now. Used to be 1 year - I had to swap my Belgian one in '92.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/DriverLicensing/DrivingInGbOnAForeignLicence/DG_4022556

For other designated countries (Australia, Barbados, British Virgin Islands, Canada, Falkland Islands, Faroe Islands*, Gibraltar, Guernsey, Hong Kong, Isle of Man, Japan, Jersey, Monaco, New Zealand, Republic of Korea*, Singapore, South Africa, Switzerland and Zimbabwe) you're allowed 12 months before having to swap for a UK license.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/DriverLicensing/DrivingInGbOnAForeignLicence/DG_4022559

Note the US ain't in there!! They get 12 months but then have to take a full UK test.

NZ just require UK drivers to take a theory test then the get a NZ license as well as their UK one.

Edited driver bit as I got it wrong!
 

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