Beware of "Google Poisoning"

Discussion in 'The Intelligence Cell' started by ghost_us, Dec 3, 2007.

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  1. http://redtape.msnbc.com/2007/12/virus-experts-w.html





    FYI: Almost 90% of the malicious traffic hitting our server DMZ comes from China. They are working towards getting themselves blacklisted as a country from the internet if you ask me.
     
  2. As no single organisation controls the Internet, in what way can a country be blacklisted?

    It would have to be a change brought about by some kind of coalition of organisations, but with 1 in 3 of the Earth's population considering themselves Chinese, it may not go down too well!
     
  3. They're also working towards a system of internet usage which works off Chinese simplified characters. Very few people in PRC can read latin script and even fewer Westerners are proficient in simplified script, so it's a great method of a) opening up web-use to the masses and b) controlling what they see when they get there.

    Of course, a side benefit is they won't be reliant on the west for internet provision, even assuming one government could ever 'blacklist' them.
     
  4. All you need is a decent firewall and some common sense and this ceases to be a problem.
     
  5. The Chinese seem to have found a way to restrict who can see what on the internet, shouldn't be impossible to return the favour?
     
  6. I've got McAfee site advisor. It gives a red or green flag on all my search results.

    Not a bad tool at all, and it's free!
     
  7. I hope B&T is reading this! The things he googles and then puts on ARRSE is quite breathtaking. 8O :lol:
     
  8. I've got Zone Alarms Firewall - won't let anyone in or out I don't want
    - and AVG anti virus that updates twice a week - fcuk 'em!

    Like some said earlier a bit of common and if in doubt bug out of the site and try again somewhere else
    Pictures (jpegs) and music files are the most corrupt and have little nasty's attached...
    I get the MP3's from Limewire (free) and had no trouble so far
     
  9. Feh. Just drop the entire APNIC range into the firewall filter and voila! - lossless compression of teh Interweb.
     
  10. I'm fairly certain that Korea has quite a bit on some of their major nodes.
     
  11. Countries blacklisted.. yes. Sort of. Origin ranges getting filtered by major network nodes... definitely. They get on enough of them either the route becomes too long to get to destination or one doesn't get found.

    You piss off enough providers you won't get out of your own backyard and you'll be stuck with a giant intranet. Maybe that will suit some chinese but their online direct sales would suffer a bit.

    I'd had to find other sites to buy my RC Helicopter parts :/
     
  12. Because it's not as if Google, yahoo, etc. do any business over there. :roll: The demand for access to the Chinese market is enormous - anybody who tries blacklisting them will be far more likely to find themselves cut out of the loop as alternate means are found - how many money-men d'you think would put themselves in that position?

    End of the day, it's always been a race between hackers/spammers and techno-wibblers to keep the wheels turning. This isn't anything new.
     
  13. Google, Yahoo, and those groups don't really have much of a say, directly, but financially perhaps. Companies like AT&T, and various other telecom, as well as major universities really hold the keys.. not really google.

    I stated it as possible, not practical. A lot of companies, especially online gaming, in south korea has locked out entire chinese ranges. I know this for a fact. Only chinese getting in were ones proxying from the US.
     
  14. But Google and Yahoo are the ones doing internet business in PRC. If AT&T et al. were to cut off comms to China, do you think they'd shrug and say "Oh, well, it was nice while it lasted"? Or would they find someone else to provide the comms and keep the money flowing in?

    Ironically, the most likely candidate is the Taiwanese telecoms company Chungwa. Money talks and they've got substantial investments in PRC already, as well as wider Asia, Europe and US. The Japanese aren't likely to pass up the opportunity, either. The west isn't the only game in town, anymore.

    As to major Universities holding the keys, I'd refer you to the earlier comment about a system based on hanzi rather than latin characters.
     

  15. The internet doesn't belong to any corporation in any sense. The internet runs off 13 Internet Root servers based across the world, with 6 in the hands of agencies such as NASA, ISC, US Army, US DoD, DISA and USC-ISI. These root servers are High level Domain Name Servers. In the simplest terms these servers know where other servers are, and how to get to them. Without the Internet Root servers the internet breaks up into chunks. Quite simply, if the requesting server can not get the location of the server that it needs to talk to, then it doesn't talk to that server. Which means, to you and I, that our attempt to check our emails wouldn't happen, that our attempt to log onto our Internet Bank account doesn't happen, that our search for porn doesn't happen. So, in theory and in practise a given range of IP addresses could be locked out at the Internet Root Servers. Which would take 48 hours to affect the actual DNS servers that the internet uses every time someone puts a URL into the address box at the top.

    The Telecomms Companies would have to set up their own Internet Root Servers that would be allowed onto the Internet Backbone, which may very well not happen, simply because the owners of the Internet Root Servers might decide that the offending source is permanently locked out of the World Wide Web. The owners of the Internet Root Servers are beholden to no one and under no one corporation control. So, if their techies are unhappy about a location, then no one can stop them from blocking it as the wish.

    To date a number of attacks on the Internet Root Servers have been recorded. So far, every single offending server has been denied entry to the internet by address denial at the MAC level. (MAC is a fixed address on the network card)