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Trip_Wire

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I'll post this article wriiten by a USAF General, because he covers many of the points that I was trying to bring out about both Carter and Reagan. Yes, Crab, it's another cut & paste; however; the General (BTW CRAB, A Fellow Airman.) makes many good points about the various Presidents as well as the GWOT, etc.

I'm sure it will generate a lot of heated discussion and POVs. :rofl:

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1782124/posts


Retired General Tells It Like It Is
| 2/9/2007

Posted on 02/09/2007 11:28:27 AM PST by talkshowamerica

"Let's Be Specific"

Due to the thunderous applause that I received from the far-left over the "I Am Tired" letter written by one of our troops in Iraq, I thought it prudent to follow up with one last attempt to be very specific about what I have observed and actually personally encountered during my 36 years of service to this Great Country. Unlike Bob McClellan, I will not continue to whine, twist and degrade our country's leaders on a weekly basis.

Instead, this will be a one time input attempting to reach some of those who are confused by McClellan and his ilk's unethical rantings and give some insight through my personal experience as a professional military officer over the years. These examples are but a few. In real life there were many more which space and time will not allow.

As a young fighter pilot, flying F-4s in Vietnam, I was stopped in my tracks by the decisions made by Lyndon Johnson and Robert McNamara. I was young and naive, but even then I knew their daily interference was wrong and would not allow us to win this thing and go home.

Decisions like not allowing us to strike enemy aircraft while still on the ground, keeping real targets off the target list, and allowing us to strike only rusted-out trucks made us basically a toothpick factory. However, the big one for me came the day I saw the President Lyndon Johnson on television, forcefully lying to the American people.

I'll never forget the language, "I want to assure the American people that the United States of America has never, and will never, bomb or use force inside the borders of Cambodia". On and on he disavowed the reports that this was happening. I was amazed. Guess where I had put several F-4 loads of 750 pound general purpose bombs every day for the past five days. You guessed it, Cambodia!!! So much for Mr. Johnson. The only question in my mind was simply, "Was it just Johnson or was it the methodology of a particular political party?" I decided to delay answering that question until more experience was gained.

Years passed, and I ignored politics as much as possible, as a good military man should. Then came Jimmy Carter. Our young people don't remember 18% interest rates and 18% inflation, but I'll bet someone in your family does. That is one really bad thing Carter did for our country, but it is not the worst.

During this period, I was an F-15 Squadron Commander, located at Langley AFB, VA. Jimmy Carter and his democratic party stopped spare parts procurement for almost every weapon system in our military, and diverted the funds to social programs. The F-15 was brand new at the time with leading edge technology designed to provide air superiority anywhere in the world on a moments notice. That was my job. I loved it, but guess what? In a two year period from 1979 to 1981, there was not one day when more that one-third of my assigned aircraft were flyable. It is amazing the lengths we went to in those days, cannibalizing parts, expending twice the time and energy to fix every little item, and still two-thirds of the birds were always broken because of no spare parts. Had this country faced a really serious military threat during that time frame, only Montana Hunters could have saved us. The military had some equipment, but it was all broken.

Do you want to know the really bad part for me and the young fighter pilots working for me? Our flying sortie rate was so low that pilot proficiency dropped to dangerous levels. The accident rate tripled. That obviously was totally unacceptable, as we were losing expensive airplanes and highly trained young pilots at a rate comparable to losses seen in actual combat. All of a sudden, even a Texas Aggie like me began to see a trend.

Forward a few years to 1986. I am an F-16 Wing Commander at MacDill AFB, Florida, and Ronald Regan is president. His change in attitude and policy toward the military had time to fix the spare parts problem. We were flying 26,000 flying sorties per year out of MacDill AFB, my aircraft fully mission capable rate (FMC) was above 90%, the aircraft accident rate was below 1.75 per hundred thousand flying hours, fighter pilots were flying and proficiency levels were at an all time high. The United States Air Force was ready to defend this Wonderful Country. Proof of the pudding is simple.

Look what the USAF, and the military in general, accomplished in Iraq during Desert Storm. And, they did it in less than 100 hours. Yeah, at this point I was starting to realize there was a difference in mentality between Democrats and Republicans, or should I say, the Right and the Left.

Then, came everyone's favorite---Bill Clinton. If there ever was an individual 180 degrees out of sync with the ideals and the values of the US military, it was Clinton. He was a known draft dodger, military hating, self absorbed, unspeakingly shameless and immoral individual, who the Left managed to elect President of the United States of America. Clinton's antics in the White House would have brought court martial, conviction, and Dishonorable Discharge had he been a military member. We still suffer oral sex on school buses, because the President told the world it wasn't real sex, and some of our children believed him. It took a lot of years, but now I became certain.

There is a big difference in the right and the left on all fronts, and for the first time I started feeling angry and shamed that the majority of the American people were actually willing to vote for such an individual.

Sometimes, an abstract such as the following tells the story in very simple terms: Jane Fonda, Tom Hayden, Lyndon Johnson, Robert McNamara, Ted Kennedy, Howard Dean, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Michael Moore, Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandon, Nancy Pelosi, Barbra Boxer, John Kerry, Benedict Arnold, and the list goes on.
America, wake up. Giving in to the likes of these people and Abraham Lincoln's prediction of destruction from within just may come true.

There is not a country in the world that can be considered a conventional military threat to the United States today. However, this country faces anew kind of threat---one that will not go away. It is a threat even moreserious that WWII, because money, industry and technology will not defeat it.

It is a threat of defeat from within. It is a threat of a faltering economy because of a lack of resources, or the even the simple threat of such a loss brought on by terrorism. It is a threat created by the American people trusting the inept. It is a threat created by the people wanting change, and perilously believing that the left can successfully deliver that change. Have you seen anything from the left that remotely resembles an answer to the Iraq situation? Have you seen anything more than continued Bush-Bashing? Is that an answer? If there was ever a need for a strong, well trained military, it is now.

THE LEFT HAS HISTORICALLY DISMANTLED OUR MILITARY IN THE NAME OF REDISTRUBITION OF WEALTH FAVORING SOCIAL PROGRAMS. We just cannot afford to let that happen now. If we do, the entire country will be bowing to the east several times a day within the next 50 years, maybe sooner.

Now a final thought meant to upset as many as possible on the far-left. As you might guess, I don't believe in political correctness. So, let's look at the facts, not far-left rhetoric attempting to empower the democratic party.

Initially, I was not a George Bush fan. I am not even a Republican. I normally vote Republican, because of my total despise of Communism, Socialism and the far-left in this country. I am a Conservative. However, during his watch, I feel President Bush just happened to stumble upon the leading edge of the greatest threat this country has ever faced. Mistakes have been made, because of the newness of the threat. Overall, the President has done a superb job dealing the threat, and at the same time held off the constant ranting, raving, deceitful and malicious escapades of the far-left attempting to regain political power.

IF THERE WAS EVER A TIME THE COUNTRY NEEDS TO COME TOGETHER AND BACK OUR PRESIDENT, IT IS RIGHT NOW. WITHOUT CONCENSUS WE ARE EMPOWERING THE TERRORIST!!!! The far-left is totally absorbed with the power struggle and regaining control of congress. They could care less about defeating the threat. It literally disgusts me to hear the constant disagreement with everything the President tries to do, all in the name of trying to make him look bad to the voters. Unfortunately, by the time the American people really appreciate how bad the far-left really is, it may toolate.

What are the real facts? On the home front this country's economy is the strongest that it has been in my lifetime. Interest rates are as low as they were when I was in high school forty years ago. Inflation does not exist for all practical purposes. For you youngster's, please remember the Jimmy Carter comments? The Dow is approaching 13,000. Unemployment is nonexistent. Wages are at an all time high. Home ownership is at an all time high. Taxes have been lowered to an almost acceptable level. Because of the surging economy the deficient is under control and projected to go away far ahead of schedule. The far-left is rich beyond its wildest dreams, so Mr.President when are you going to "fix" all these domestic problems?

On the war front this country has not been touched since 2001. I remember being part of a seminar at the USAF War College in 1983 discussing the terrorist threat. There were some good minds at that table and a lot of disagreement. However, one common thought was that the US would be hit within the next five years. Answers to the terrorist threat were just as hard to come by then as they are now. Well, it took a little longer than the projection, but the attack occurred. For an old military guy like me, the main point here is that it has not happened again. We have suckered the bad guys into entering the fight somewhere other than in our country. To hell with political correctness. The President can't say this, but I sure can.

I smile every morning when I get up and realize that one of our great cities has not been blown away. And, there is zero doubt in my mind that if we pull out of Iraq prematurely, that will happen within a short period of time after our departure. I don't care what you might think of President Bush personally. He has done the best he can with what he has, and this country is not smoking because of it. So, back off McLean and McClellan. You honestly don't have a clue about what you are talking about. Call me, and I will tell you what I really think.

I realize there are different points of view on war, and I do not believe the meek will inherit the earth, at least not in the next few hundred years. To those like McClellan, McLean, poor Eve Kyes and Sinowa Cruz let me say, "This is a strong country!!!" It has survived the uneducated thinking of the far-left before, and I'll just bet it will again.

Regardless of who is President, the people will not tolerate mass explosions on a daily basis, as our good friends in Israel have been forced to do. To protect that position of power, even Hillary will be forced to become a true hawk. To guarantee a few more votes Ted Kennedy may be forced to begin supporting a strong military. One more attack on America might even wipe the giddy,'I-am-finally-somebody' grin from Nancy Pelosi's face, and make her realize that is not about votes and personal power. IT IS ABOUT PROTECTING THIS GREAT COUNTRY FROM ALL ENEMIES, BOTH FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC.
 
1. Since when has anyone ever "suffered" oral sex?

2. He can't spell consensus.

3. He can't spell despise.

4. He doesn't know the difference between deficit and deficient.

5. He doesn't know the differnce between willful and forceful.

6. Considering the right wingers call intellectuals and educators "leftists", I can't quite understand his assertion that they are uneducated.

7. The Air campaign of Desert Storm began on 17Jan91. Hostilities ceased on 28Feb01. I'm no mathematical genius, but I know that this was considerably longer than 100 hours.

8. The left taking money away from the military to spend on social programs- why is that in itself a bad thing? To quote Eisenhower again "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." The latest US defense budget is going to be close to 3/4 of a Trillion dollars- and you still don't feel safe. If that's the case, is it really money well spent?

9. The marvellous job Bush has done? You mean turning nigh on the entire world against the United States? Turned most people who were sat on the fence over to the other side. It's a great job- if you're a defence contractor. Can't see what else anyone has to gain from it though.

10. Clinton's member wasn't military though. He did nothing illegal there, unlike Nixon, Reagan and Bush II.

As for the rest of the pseudo political rant, it's just too dumb for words.
 

Trip_Wire

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crabtastic:

Typical left wing liberal academic's response. Nit-pick, avoid the issues, by all means.
 
Bill Clinton is a genuinely nice bloke. I provided cover for him for a speech he was giving in Glasgow a few years ago. The Secret Service were a bit put out by us at first which is a fair one as we were unknown to them and bimbling about in black kit, once they were put in the picture by someone who i assume is ex-SF (Brit) they were mega and not as up themselves as most would think. As we were waiting for BC to leave he had to passs us to get to his car, i can only assume that on of his guys had said something to him because he came across and thanked me for supporting him and his guys. I was shocked because of his consideration and also his thoughts for his Secret Service Agents.

I wonder how many other presidents/ex-preseidents would have done the same
 
1..2..3..4..5..6..7..8..9..10.... and breathe out.
 
Sorry Crabtastic have i offended you in that last post?

I have to been advised to be careful what i post in here since T_W went crying to the MODS.
 
Ok, since you don't think I am capable of responding to this guy...

Trip_Wire said:
Retired General Tells It Like It Is
| 2/9/2007

Posted on 02/09/2007 11:28:27 AM PST by talkshowamerica

"Let's Be Specific"

Due to the thunderous applause that I received from the far-left over the "I Am Tired" letter written by one of our troops in Iraq, I thought it prudent to follow up with one last attempt to be very specific about what I have observed and actually personally encountered during my 36 years of service to this Great Country. Unlike Bob McClellan, I will not continue to whine, twist and degrade our country's leaders on a weekly basis.

Well to use a business analogy, (since Monkey Boy has an MBA), in a democracry, the President is the CEO- and the people are shareholders. They hire him and he works for them. They have the right and the responsibility to question him.

Instead, this will be a one time input attempting to reach some of those who are confused by McClellan and his ilk's unethical rantings and give some insight through my personal experience as a professional military officer over the years. These examples are but a few. In real life there were many more which space and time will not allow.

Would very much like to read what was said.

As a young fighter pilot, flying F-4s in Vietnam, I was stopped in my tracks by the decisions made by Lyndon Johnson and Robert McNamara. I was young and naive, but even then I knew their daily interference was wrong and would not allow us to win this thing and go home.

As opposed to Rumsfeld's snowflakes?

Decisions like not allowing us to strike enemy aircraft while still on the ground, keeping real targets off the target list, and allowing us to strike only rusted-out trucks made us basically a toothpick factory.

Would you rather start trading shots with the USSR?

However, the big one for me came the day I saw the President Lyndon Johnson on television, forcefully lying to the American people.

I'll never forget the language, "I want to assure the American people that the United States of America has never, and will never, bomb or use force inside the borders of Cambodia". On and on he disavowed the reports that this was happening. I was amazed. Guess where I had put several F-4 loads of 750 pound general purpose bombs every day for the past five days. You guessed it, Cambodia!!! So much for Mr. Johnson. The only question in my mind was simply, "Was it just Johnson or was it the methodology of a particular political party?" I decided to delay answering that question until more experience was gained.

Yellow Cake, Al Qaeda, wiretapping etc. etc. etc. Shock! Horror! Politicians lie. If he wants to talk about Cambodia, why not mention Nixon and the pathological level of bullshitting he did about the Vietnam war- from his Secret Plan to secure peace in 1968, through to the invasion of Cambodia and Laos and the rise of Pol Pot. Let's also talk about Reagan and Iran Contra while we're at it and illegal (under US law) covert ops in Latin America.

Years passed, and I ignored politics as much as possible, as a good military man should. Then came Jimmy Carter. Our young people don't remember 18% interest rates and 18% inflation, but I'll bet someone in your family does. That is one really bad thing Carter did for our country, but it is not the worst.

Shows a rather tenuous grasp on economics- especially the role of the Chairman of the Federal reserve, the role of global markets and the limited influence presidential decree has in US economic policy. But, like he says, he's only an Aggie.

During this period, I was an F-15 Squadron Commander, located at Langley AFB, VA. Jimmy Carter and his democratic party stopped spare parts procurement for almost every weapon system in our military, and diverted the funds to social programs. The F-15 was brand new at the time with leading edge technology designed to provide air superiority anywhere in the world on a moments notice. That was my job. I loved it, but guess what? In a two year period from 1979 to 1981, there was not one day when more that one-third of my assigned aircraft were flyable. It is amazing the lengths we went to in those days, cannibalizing parts, expending twice the time and energy to fix every little item, and still two-thirds of the birds were always broken because of no spare parts. Had this country faced a really serious military threat during that time frame, only Montana Hunters could have saved us. The military had some equipment, but it was all broken. Do you want to know the really bad part for me and the young fighter pilots working for me? Our flying sortie rate was so low that pilot proficiency dropped to dangerous levels. The accident rate tripled. That obviously was totally unacceptable, as we were losing expensive airplanes and highly trained young pilots at a rate comparable to losses seen in actual combat. All of a sudden, even a Texas Aggie like me began to see a trend.

At the same time, Carter was negotiating arms control treaties and extending detente so that the likelihood of the good general having to use his toys was much more remote. Carter, by the way, was also having to deal with the ficsal fallout from the little spat in Vietnam- so you can't blame him for everything. You also have the hangover of Vietnam still over into the day to day workings of the military. The fact is, and Reagan, to his credit recognised this, that in the 70s (after Vietnam) the military was not an attractive option. Talented people left and the dross stayed.

Forward a few years to 1986. I am an F-16 Wing Commander at MacDill AFB, Florida, and Ronald Regan is president. His change in attitude and policy toward the military had time to fix the spare parts problem. We were flying 26,000 flying sorties per year out of MacDill AFB, my aircraft fully mission capable rate (FMC) was above 90%, the aircraft accident rate was below 1.75 per hundred thousand flying hours, fighter pilots were flying and proficiency levels were at an all time high. The United States Air Force was ready to defend this Wonderful Country. Proof of the pudding is simple.

Defend it from whom, exactly? Oh, yeah the Soviets- who Reagan scared silly in his first term. 12 years of detente down the pan in order to get elected.

Look what the USAF, and the military in general, accomplished in Iraq during Desert Storm. And, they did it in less than 100 hours. Yeah, at this point I was starting to realize there was a difference in mentality between Democrats and Republicans, or should I say, the Right and the Left.

All this from a man who can't count past 100.

Then, came everyone's favorite---Bill Clinton. If there ever was an individual 180 degrees out of sync with the ideals and the values of the US military, it was Clinton. He was a known draft dodger, military hating, self absorbed, unspeakingly shameless and immoral individual, who the Left managed to elect President of the United States of America. Clinton's antics in the White House would have brought court martial, conviction, and Dishonorable Discharge had he been a military member. We still suffer oral sex on school buses, because the President told the world it wasn't real sex, and some of our children believed him. It took a lot of years, but now I became certain.

Already addressed all the points here.

There is a big difference in the right and the left on all fronts, and for the first time I started feeling angry and shamed that the majority of the American people were actually willing to vote for such an individual.

Well, he who pays the piper calls the tune.

Sometimes, an abstract such as the following tells the story in very simple terms: Jane Fonda, Tom Hayden, Lyndon Johnson, Robert McNamara, Ted Kennedy, Howard Dean, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Michael Moore, Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandon, Nancy Pelosi, Barbra Boxer, John Kerry, Benedict Arnold, and the list goes on.

I don't know what that's supposed to be, but it's not an abstract.

America, wake up. Giving in to the likes of these people and Abraham Lincoln's prediction of destruction from within just may come true.

I presume he's referring to "A house divided cannot stand". Why should 70% of the American people fall into line with the dictats of the 30% who have been proved wrong about one thing after another for the past 6 years?

There is not a country in the world that can be considered a conventional military threat to the United States today. However, this country faces anew kind of threat---one that will not go away. It is a threat even moreserious that WWII, because money, industry and technology will not defeat it.

This is true. Like I said in another threat it's a basic tenet of war- you fight the fight you want to fight, not the one your opponent wants you to fight. Your big, expesive toys, bought by Reagan and still being paid for by tax payers 12 years later are useless. but they're cool, get the mulleted rednecks fizzing at the hoop at airshows and look impressive on the military channel docu-porn.

It is a threat of defeat from within. It is a threat of a faltering economy because of a lack of resources, or the even the simple threat of such a loss brought on by terrorism. It is a threat created by the American people trusting the inept. It is a threat created by the people wanting change, and perilously believing that the left can successfully deliver that change. Have you seen anything from the left that remotely resembles an answer to the Iraq situation? Have you seen anything more than continued Bush-Bashing? Is that an answer?

Look up SMART power. http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20040301faessay83211/suzanne-nossel/smart-power.html

If there was ever a need for a strong, well trained military, it is now.

Well, that sort of contradicts his earlier point about the threat being different. But to his mind no doubt, when all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail.

THE LEFT HAS HISTORICALLY DISMANTLED OUR MILITARY IN THE NAME OF REDISTRUBITION OF WEALTH FAVORING SOCIAL PROGRAMS.
Because, God forbid, the last thing government should be doing is helping people instead of getting ready, it would seem to others, to blow the arrse off this world.

We just cannot afford to let that happen now. If we do, the entire country will be bowing to the east several times a day within the next 50 years, maybe sooner.

Sorry, no way to to say this- other than MMLLLLAAARRRR.


Now a final thought meant to upset as many as possible on the far-left. As you might guess, I don't believe in political correctness. So, let's look at the facts, not far-left rhetoric attempting to empower the democratic party.

I don't think he believes in thinking much, either. But that's beside the point.

Initially, I was not a George Bush fan. I am not even a Republican.

Clearly not a libertarian either. My guess would be fascist.

I normally vote Republican, because of my total despise of Communism, Socialism and the far-left in this country.

Because a hatred for his fellow citizens is always such a healthy place to begin your thoughts on things political.

I am a Conservative. However, during his watch, I feel President Bush just happened to stumble upon the leading edge of the greatest threat this country has ever faced.

No, he inherited a pest, ignored it and he helped turn it into the greatest threat the US faces today.

Mistakes have been made, because of the newness of the threat. Overall, the President has done a superb job dealing the threat, and at the same time held off the constant ranting, raving, deceitful and malicious escapades of the far-left attempting to regain political power.

Really? How much progress has been made in the last 5 years really?

IF THERE WAS EVER A TIME THE COUNTRY NEEDS TO COME TOGETHER AND BACK OUR PRESIDENT, IT IS RIGHT NOW.

See above with regard to ideas such as democracy.

WITHOUT CONCENSUS WE ARE EMPOWERING THE TERRORIST!!!!

Well, at least there's only one of them. :thumright:

The far-left is totally absorbed with the power struggle and regaining control of congress.

And, of course the RIght hasn't used national security as an election issue, has it?

They could care less about defeating the threat.

I think every Brit here recognises the grammatical error inherent in this Americanism

It literally disgusts me to hear the constant disagreement with everything the President tries to do, all in the name of trying to make him look bad to the voters. Unfortunately, by the time the American people really appreciate how bad the far-left really is, it may too late.
You know what? The Dems won last November by essentially saying nothing. George was given enough rope and hanged himself (and a lot of Congressmen and Senators.

What are the real facts? On the home front this country's economy is the strongest that it has been in my lifetime. Interest rates are as low as they were when I was in high school forty years ago. Inflation does not exist for all practical purposes. For you youngster's, please remember the Jimmy Carter comments? The Dow is approaching 13,000. Unemployment is nonexistent. Wages are at an all time high. Home ownership is at an all time high. Taxes have been lowered to an almost acceptable level. Because of the surging economy the deficient is under control and projected to go away far ahead of schedule. The far-left is rich beyond its wildest dreams, so Mr.President when are you going to "fix" all these domestic problems?

And yet the division between rich and poor has never been so great. There are 43 million Americans without health insurance; education standards are falling; 28 million American children are growing up in poverty; the US government, after major reform, proved itself to be completely incapable of dealing with a large scale disaster; The US has one of the lowest life-expectancy rates in the developed world; there are 200,000 homeless veterans on America's streets on any given night. etc. etc. etc. The good General, as a conservative/reactionary, might think this is acceptable. Progressives don't.

On the war front this country has not been touched since 2001. I remember being part of a seminar at the USAF War College in 1983 discussing the terrorist threat. There were some good minds at that table and a lot of disagreement. However, one common thought was that the US would be hit within the next five years. Answers to the terrorist threat were just as hard to come by then as they are now. Well, it took a little longer than the projection, but the attack occurred. For an old military guy like me, the main point here is that it has not happened again.

IIRC, there was a 5 year gap between the 1993 WTC bombings and the Bombings in Dar Es Salaam and Nairobi. It's easy to claim credit when nothing happened and it's very hard to prove a negative.

We have suckered the bad guys into entering the fight somewhere other than in our country.

Sorry, who's suckered who? The Afghanis have been "suckered" into fighting people on their own ground thoughout history. IIRC, the last person to have a successful pop at them was Genghis Khan in the 13th Century.

To hell with political correctness. The President can't say this, but I sure can.

I smile every morning when I get up and realize that one of our great cities has not been blown away.

Cheery fcuker, ain't he?

And, there is zero doubt in my mind that if we pull out of Iraq prematurely, that will happen within a short period of time after our departure.

It's possible to be absolutely certain and, at the same time, absolutely wrong. Whether they'd like to or not al Qaeda does not have the resources or the backing to take out a city.

I don't care what you might think of President Bush personally. He has done the best he can with what he has,

So it's come to this? International politics judged by the standards of the Special Olympics.

and this country is not smoking because of it.

From and unwarranted assumption to a foregone conclusion in one easy step.

So, back off McLean and McClellan. You honestly don't have a clue about what you are talking about. Call me, and I will tell you what I really think.

I realize there are different points of view on war, and I do not believe the meek will inherit the earth, at least not in the next few hundred years. To those like McClellan, McLean, poor Eve Kyes and Sinowa Cruz let me say, "This is a strong country!!!" It has survived the uneducated thinking of the far-left before, and I'll just bet it will again.

It is a strong country, that has been considerably weakened by a man determined to get into fights he doesn't know how to win. It has little to do with weakness, or the meek inheriting the earth. In a nutshell this statement reveals the very worst stereotype that people have about Americans.

Regardless of who is President, the people will not tolerate mass explosions on a daily basis, as our good friends in Israel have been forced to do. To protect that position of power, even Hillary will be forced to become a true hawk. To guarantee a few more votes Ted Kennedy may be forced to begin supporting a strong military. One more attack on America might even wipe the giddy,'I-am-finally-somebody' grin from Nancy Pelosi's face, and make her realize that is not about votes and personal power. IT IS ABOUT PROTECTING THIS GREAT COUNTRY FROM ALL ENEMIES, BOTH FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC.

Mass explosions aren't going to happen if you can demonstrate to the 99.999% of people in the world who aren't clinically insane that you're not a bunch of trigger happy cowboys who will take anything you like and kill anyone you want, consequences be damned. My essential point is, stop acting like assholes and most people won't want to kill you. The tiny remainder that are hell bent on doing so, won't have the money, the brains or resurces to do anything other than sit and moan about it all like the People's Front of Judea.

(And nothing's going to change the expression on Nancy Pelosi's face the botox and her cosmetic surgeon has welded it there.)

There you go, Trip.
 
dingerr said:
Sorry Crabtastic have i offended you in that last post?

I have to been advised to be careful what i post in here since T_W went crying to the MODS.

No Dingerr. That was intended for Grandad above you. :thumright:
 

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Dingerr:

It might interest you to know that I have NEVER written to the 'Mods" except to answer a question from them, some time ago on an unrelated question that they had at that time.
 

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dingerr said:
Bill Clinton is a genuinely nice bloke. I provided cover for him for a speech he was giving in Glasgow a few years ago. The Secret Service were a bit put out by us at first which is a fair one as we were unknown to them and bimbling about in black kit, once they were put in the picture by someone who i assume is ex-SF (Brit) they were mega and not as up themselves as most would think. As we were waiting for BC to leave he had to passs us to get to his car, i can only assume that on of his guys had said something to him because he came across and thanked me for supporting him and his guys. I was shocked because of his consideration and also his thoughts for his Secret Service Agents.

I wonder how many other presidents/ex-preseidents would have done the same

I have covered many Presidential as well as Presidential Presidential candidates visits to the King County, Seattle area, during my 34 year tenure as a LEO supervising the Special Operations section of my department. (1956 to 1990)

They normally landed at Boeing, field, which is in the jurisdiction of my old LE agency. We also escourted and gave our services to the SS agents, whenever 'Principals' covered by the SS, were to tour or have destinations within our jurisdiction.

It was usually fairly common, especially for Presidents, on departure from Boeing field to shake hands with the officers who were visable near his ramp onto the aircraft. (Usually officers from his motorcycle escourt.) This was also a fairly common practice at most departure sites, during a tour.


My unit, also supplied explosive detection dogs, EOD (Police Bomb Technicians.) as well as snipers who were usually posted with the SS snipers. The basis for the manpower for my unit, was the traffice unit who also suppled the motorcycle escourts, etc.

Here's a bit of 'trivia' on the SS and Presidents. I have heard a lot more from agents that I worked with over the years.

http://asmalldoseofreality.bloghi.c...eir-wives-in-some-cases-have-been-skunks.html
 

Trip_Wire

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crabtastic:

Instead of burdening me and others here, with your babble, why don't you address the good General with your comments. I'm sure you can find an e-mail address for him. I'm sure he would love to debate the issues with you.

Jimmy L. Cash, Brig. Gen., USAF, Ret.
349 Jib Lane
Lakeside, Montana

Oh! BTW 'professor' it was a 34 year LE career, also thanks for the spell check! We all make dication and spelling mistakes. :thumright:
 
dingerr said:
Bill Clinton is a genuinely nice bloke. I provided cover for him for a speech he was giving in Glasgow a few years ago.

Like the fans of the whore shagging Duke, is this another case of sympathising with your captors. Of course he was a nice bloke, that's the easy part. He said to the American people that he did not have sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky! Jesus, he got most of his man batter on her dress FFS!

Last 100 years? I can't possibly answer that, I'm too ignorant on facts. However, if the question was, who is the best US President in your own living memory? And I'd be executed for not answering, I'd have to say Reagan. Maybe it's the least corrupt President that gets the vote, I don't know.
 
Trip_Wire said:
crabtastic:

Instead of burdening me and others here, with your bable, why don't you address the good General with your comments. I'm sure you can find an e-mail address for him. I'm sure he would love to debate the issues with you.

Please learn to spell babble. It's at least the third time I've had to mention it.

You chose to throw his comments up here rather than your own ideas (should you actually be capable of, you know, things like congnitive thought and expression), Jessica.

And are "Princeables" anything like Lunchables ( www.lunchables.com ), or did you, in fact, spend your 30yr LE career misspelling and mispronouncing Principals? :thumleft:
 
Trip_Wire said:
crabtastic:

Typical left wing liberal academic's response. Nit-pick, avoid the issues, by all means.

Multiple personality disorder...embrace JFK yet scream left wing. Jumping Jeezus on a pogo-stick you are BB incarnate.
 
O2Thief said:
dingerr said:
Bill Clinton is a genuinely nice bloke. I provided cover for him for a speech he was giving in Glasgow a few years ago.

Like the fans of the whore shagging Duke, is this another case of sympathising with your captors. Of course he was a nice bloke, that's the easy part. He said to the American people that he did not have sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky! Jesus, he got most of his man batter on her dress FFS!

Last 100 years? I can't possibly answer that, I'm too ignorant on facts. However, if the question was, who is the best US President in your own living memory? And I'd be executed for not answering, I'd have to say Reagan. Maybe it's the least corrupt President that gets the vote, I don't know.

I'm totally lost by your comments here. Are you being amusing are insulting?

BC was not the president at the time (2003 or 2004), it was just nice to see that one of the most powerful men in the world had time to consider and thank other people, especially as i didn't think much of it as i was just doing a job as others do theirs.
 
Trip-wire said:
crabtastic:

Instead of burdening me and others here, with your babble, why don't you address the good General with your comments. I'm sure you can find an e-mail address for him. I'm sure he would love to debate the issues with you.

Jimmy L. Cash, Brig. Gen., USAF, Ret.
349 Jib Lane
Lakeside, Montana

Oh! BTW 'professor' it was a 34 year LE career, also thanks for the spell check! We all make dication and spelling mistakes.

:thumright: And another one... And yet you still went back and made the correction. :thumright:

I'm only counting 30 years, since it no doubt took you 4 years to learn not to push the front door of the police station when the sign says pull. (Like I fcuking care how long you spent big-timing it in the donut shop.)

I'm sure such an outspoken character as the Gen when it comes to T.W.A.T. would just love the fact that you've posted his address on an internet forum without permission. Slick PERSEC drills, Madeline.

Care to send me your address while you're at it? I have a metal tin and a monster of a compo anaconda straining at my Calvin Kleins that I think you might want to sniff.
 

Trip_Wire

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crabtastic:

The general listed his address in his article. Google his name and yoiu will see it posted there. I was looking for his e-mail, since he encourged people to reply to his article. I thought you would be just what he might be looking for.

I see, you are resorting to rude personal attacks once again. You just can't seem to stay away from that can you? I'm really surprised, that a self proclaimed academic like you, has to resort to such rude behavior. I guess that CRAB officers must not be taught to be both officers and gentleman. After all, I'm just a lowly SNCO, who wasn't granted 'gentleman' status, so I guess that must excuse me.

I see that you are keeping your word (from the erased e-mail) to nit-pick any post that I make. I really don't care what you do or what your thoughts of me are; however, IMHO. you are just taking away from the reason for and/or the discussion point of the thread in question.

Such behavior, just takes away from anything one my gain, by discussing the subject, without resorting to personal attacks and also encourages others like 'ctauch" to add his rude personal attacks as well.

As I told others here, I have never complained to the MODs here about any poster or specific post. Yes, I have been sorely tempted to; however, never have, nor do I ever plan too.
 
dingerr said:
Sorry Crabtastic have i offended you in that last post?

I have to been advised to be careful what i post in here since T_W went crying to the MODS.

Nope that was not Trip, it was me, I don't like people who relish news reports of dead US Soldiers and taunt US visitors to these boards with it.

Shrill Islamofascist sympathisers on ARRSE are a base spectacle.

Trip my apologies that posters seem to think it was you.
 
Yes i had figured once i had gone fishing with T_W. (Apologies for that T_W, but i knew it was one of you two)

FYI i never did say that i relished reports of dead US soldiers, i pointed out a candid fact that can be proven by the statistics of the posts received.

Nice one i'll expect your mum to be knocking on the door any minute to have a go then. I'm actually quite surprise you had the moral courage to admit that.

It was quite interesting to see that you are viewed as a boring whingebag.
 

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