Best tank in the world.. "Tank PORN VID"

#2
Another one that could run and run. As an Infantryman I'd rather not be arsed with any of them.
I'll leave it to the Tankies to argue the toss about which one they'd rather face.
Anyone any thoughts on the Merkava Mk IV vs T90?
 
#4
You can say Leo2 is any good or not when it actually faces another tank in combat-same goes for T-90, which is just a tarted up T-72, with many of the issues that family of vehicles has had-Chally 2 and M1a2 are the only ones that've been in a proper armoured battle...
 
#5
Tiger 2

Tiger 2

Type Heavy tank
Place of origin Nazi Germany

Service history
In service 1944–1945
Wars World War II

Production history
Designer Henschel & Son / Krupp (turret)
Designed 1943
Manufacturer Henschel & Son / Krupp (turret)
Produced 1943–1945
Number built 492 [1]

Specifications
Weight 68.5 metric tons (initial turret)
69.8 metric tons (production turret)[2]
Length 6.4 metres (21 ft 0 in)
10.286 metres (33 ft 9 in) with gun forward[2]
Width 3.755 metres (12 ft 4 in)[2]
Height 3.09 metres (10 ft 2 in)
Crew 5 (commander, gunner, loader, radio operator, driver)
Armor 25–180 mm
Primary
armament 1× 8.8 cm KwK 43 L/71
"Porsche" turret: 80 rounds[3]
Production turret: 86 rounds[3]
Secondary
armament 2× 7.92 mm Maschinengewehr 34
5,5850 rounds[4]
Engine V-12 Maybach HL 230 P30 gasoline
700 PS (690 hp, 515 kW)[2]
Power/weight 10 PS/tonne (8.97 hp/ton)
Transmission Maybach OLVAR EG 40 12 16 B (8 forward and 4 reverse)[2]
Suspension torsion-bar
Ground clearance 500 mm (1 ft 8 in)[4]
Fuel capacity 860 litres (190 imp gal)[4]
Operational
range Road: 170 km (110 mi)[5]
Cross country: 120 km (75 mi)[5]
Speed Maximum, road: 41.5 km/h (25.8 mph)[5]
Sustained, road: 38 km/h (24 mph)[5]
Cross country: 15 to 20 km/h (9.3 to 12 mph)[5]
 
#6
TheSatire said:
Another one that could run and run. As an Infantryman I'd rather not be arsed with any of them.
I'll leave it to the Tankies to argue the toss about which one they'd rather face.
Anyone any thoughts on the Merkava Mk IV vs T90?
if you rather not be arrsed why post on the thread?
 
#7
Bradstyley said:
You can say Leo2 is any good or not when it actually faces another tank in combat-same goes for T-90, which is just a tarted up T-72, with many of the issues that family of vehicles has had-Chally 2 and M1a2 are the only ones that've been in a proper armoured battle...
by proper armoured battle are you referring to the T55 and T62 of the former republican guard?

bit like firing at hard targets.

considering the m1a1 and a2 use the leo gun, and the following countries use leo2 either directly bought or under license:

germany
denmark
turkey
netherlands
greece
etc

how many have purchased cr2?
 
#8
So where would people rank our own Challenger II? I saw a yank documentary last year (I think on the discovery channel) listing the top 10 modern tanks in the world. No surprises but the Abrams came 1st (yank documentary after all) but the chally was 7th! Main reason given - there aren't that many of them in the world, batty logic if you ask me.
 
#9
not really;

meant to be NATO standard etc - its not ie tank round

compared to other countries spares, power packs, running gear etc easier to get hold of as most countries use the same panzer
 
#10
Think a more interesting question would be what were the different design priorities of German, British and American tank designers? After all, there are differences between the vehicles beyond the broad similarities. Otherwise DAT's from NATO would all be in the M1Challenger2A6. "Best" would seem to be a meaningless term.

I have spent my career in light infantry units, so I am not qualified to speak on these things, but some on this board have examined the varied tanks and have been able to go "aha, that's why they did that!"

I think Califoria_Tanker even did an exchange to the UK?
 
#11
ScottR said:
Tiger 2

Tiger 2

Type Heavy tank
Place of origin Nazi Germany

Service history
In service 1944–1945
Wars World War II

Production history
Designer Henschel & Son / Krupp (turret)
Designed 1943
Manufacturer Henschel & Son / Krupp (turret)
Produced 1943–1945
Number built 492 [1]

Specifications
Weight 68.5 metric tons (initial turret)
69.8 metric tons (production turret)[2]
Length 6.4 metres (21 ft 0 in)
10.286 metres (33 ft 9 in) with gun forward[2]
Width 3.755 metres (12 ft 4 in)[2]
Height 3.09 metres (10 ft 2 in)
Crew 5 (commander, gunner, loader, radio operator, driver)
Armor 25–180 mm
Primary
armament 1× 8.8 cm KwK 43 L/71
"Porsche" turret: 80 rounds[3]
Production turret: 86 rounds[3]
Secondary
armament 2× 7.92 mm Maschinengewehr 34
5,5850 rounds[4]
Engine V-12 Maybach HL 230 P30 gasoline
700 PS (690 hp, 515 kW)[2]
Power/weight 10 PS/tonne (8.97 hp/ton)
Transmission Maybach OLVAR EG 40 12 16 B (8 forward and 4 reverse)[2]
Suspension torsion-bar
Ground clearance 500 mm (1 ft 8 in)[4]
Fuel capacity 860 litres (190 imp gal)[4]
Operational
range Road: 170 km (110 mi)[5]
Cross country: 120 km (75 mi)[5]
Speed Maximum, road: 41.5 km/h (25.8 mph)[5]
Sustained, road: 38 km/h (24 mph)[5]
Cross country: 15 to 20 km/h (9.3 to 12 mph)[5]

Slight problem, Your You Tube link is the Tiger 1 not 2 mate. I don't believe the thread is so much about what was the best tank as what is?????
I agree with DDart....every nation who has built or bought someone elses tank, has done it by judging their own tactical needs against what an MBT can provide, even if the biggest parameter may be price.
Simply being British is enough for me to say CR2 even though I only got as far as CR1 in service but, having experienced Leo 2 close up and M1 at a distance, as my new TShirt design says............British Heavy Armour, Best in the world. I just pray that we continue to build our own tanks.
 
#12
Countrylad said:
So where would people rank our own Challenger II? I saw a yank documentary last year (I think on the discovery channel) listing the top 10 modern tanks in the world. No surprises but the Abrams came 1st (yank documentary after all) but the chally was 7th! Main reason given - there aren't that many of them in the world, batty logic if you ask me.
I have also saw this documentary and was shocked aswell to see the chally that low down the list due to low numbers, especially after the excellent review that they (americans docu makers) gave it.

Anyway top vid that, will show my uncle it tommorow. Even though he is probably sick of the sight of the things after working at Vickers most of his life he still enjoys watching them in action. He was glued to the news channels during telic :lol:

Doesn't the crew come into consideration aswell with these debates?
 
#13
Ahem!! Not really with you there!
Why does the fact that as an infantryman i'd rather not have to come up against Armour preclude me from commenting?

I wait with bated breath....
 

Tankie2ndrtr

Old-Salt
Kit Reviewer
#15
TheSatire said:
Another one that could run and run. As an Infantryman I'd rather not be arsed with any of them.
I'll leave it to the Tankies to argue the toss about which one they'd rather face.
Anyone any thoughts on the Merkava Mk IV vs T90?
Thats why, Not which one you would like to face or crew. The Infantry need tanks and Tanks need the infantry. Its just a pity its only a Rarden getting action in "the Stan".
 

Tankie2ndrtr

Old-Salt
Kit Reviewer
#17
TheSatire said:
Personally I'm with E.Blackadder . Under no circumstances should the enemy be armed. Especially not with Tanks.

Sharp piece of guava anyone?
Abrams = USA
Leo2 = Germany

Enemies ? 8)

And at the end of the day the challenger 2 Wept, for there was no one left to conquer.
 

rampant

LE
Kit Reviewer
Book Reviewer
#18
Tankie2ndrtr said:
TheSatire said:
Personally I'm with E.Blackadder . Under no circumstances should the enemy be armed. Especially not with Tanks.

Sharp piece of guava anyone?
Abrams = USA
Leo2 = Germany

Enemies ? 8)

And at the end of the day the challenger 2 Wept, for there was no one left to conquer.
My opinion may not count for much, but great vid, and I entirely agree with it. Chally 2 is a magnificent piece of kit and I have never (in my limited experience heard a bad word against it, amongstt those who count, not feckin' internet muppets)

IIRC was the Chally 2 which was destroyed, blue on blue, HESH through the open lid?
 

Tankie2ndrtr

Old-Salt
Kit Reviewer
#20
rampant said:
Tankie2ndrtr said:
TheSatire said:
Personally I'm with E.Blackadder . Under no circumstances should the enemy be armed. Especially not with Tanks.

Sharp piece of guava anyone?
Abrams = USA
Leo2 = Germany

Enemies ? 8)

And at the end of the day the challenger 2 Wept, for there was no one left to conquer.
My opinion may not count for much, but great vid, and I entirely agree with it. Chally 2 is a magnificent piece of kit and I have never (in my limited experience heard a bad word against it, amongstt those who count, not feckin' internet muppets)

IIRC was the Chally 2 which was destroyed, blue on blue, HESH through the open lid?
Yeah One of ours engaged a QRL panzer.

I have a thousand bad words to say about it, But would still vote for it.
 

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