best dust off the harrier fleet then

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Pentagon delays F-35, buys more Boeing fighters | Reuters

so the US is delaying the f35 to save cash and buying f18s to fill any gaps in spending. so it looks like 2016 before we get a carrier jet to respond to anything on the world stage.

I like the reasoning behind the US not cutting anymore spending because europe is downsizing so fast.
 
#2
Except we're not buying the USMC F-35B version now and the F-35C version we are buying we don't want until 2020 anyway.

A non story for us.
 
#4
Think the FA-18E/F would be a great choice. Mature design, future proofed, highly capable, and pretty much available immediately.
 
#5
Think the FA-18E/F would be a great choice. Mature design, future proofed, highly capable, and pretty much available immediately.
It ticks all our boxes.
 
#7
Pentagon delays F-35, buys more Boeing fighters | Reuters

so the US is delaying the f35 to save cash and buying f18s to fill any gaps in spending. so it looks like 2016 before we get a carrier jet to respond to anything on the world stage.

I like the reasoning behind the US not cutting anymore spending because europe is downsizing so fast.
I don't understand the point of your post. Especially the title.

UK is now planning to purchase F-35C version and will only have a carrier to put them on circa 2020.

How would dusting off the Harrier help us?
 
#8
I don't understand the point of your post. Especially the title.

UK is now planning to purchase F-35C version and will only have a carrier to put them on circa 2020.

How would dusting off the Harrier help us?


Never let the facts get in the way of a good outrage bus ticket. :)
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#9
Never let the facts get in the way of a good outrage bus ticket. :)
Alot of RN supporters and others were a little dismayed when the SDSR announced the decision to go for the F-35C rather than the B. Without rehashing old arguments, it seems to look like the decision was, perhaps, not really of 'our' doing. I mean, the future of the -B is looking pretty shakey and I have no doubt that the recent US decisions were relayed to the MoD either directly or via BAe in advance of the SDSR.
 
#10
Alot of RN supporters and others were a little dismayed when the SDSR announced the decision to go for the F-35C rather than the B. Without rehashing old arguments, it seems to look like the decision was, perhaps, not really of 'our' doing. I mean, the future of the -B is looking pretty shakey and I have no doubt that the recent US decisions were relayed to the MoD either directly or via BAe in advance of the SDSR.
A few years ago, a previous US Defence Sec asked the USMC the very pointed questions when the B model started slipping and it;s cost taking off: What exactly do you need STVOL for? What do your AV-8's do your Hornets can't do just as well?
Lots of shuffling and looking at the ground apparently.
 
#11
A few years ago, a previous US Defence Sec asked the USMC the very pointed questions when the B model started slipping and it;s cost taking off: What exactly do you need STVOL for? What do your AV-8's do your Hornets can't do just as well?
Lots of shuffling and looking at the ground apparently.
Can a Hornet fly off the USS Wasp LHD etc or the new America class LHA?
 
#13
Think the FA-18E/F would be a great choice. Mature design, future proofed, highly capable, and pretty much available immediately.


Bit late for that now I reckon. Too much time and effort has been put into the F-35. Would have been a great idea ten years ago.
 
#14
A few years ago, a previous US Defence Sec asked the USMC the very pointed questions when the B model started slipping and it;s cost taking off: What exactly do you need STVOL for? What do your AV-8's do your Hornets can't do just as well?
Lots of shuffling and looking at the ground apparently.
I thought during Op Iraqi Freedom, Marine Corp AV8B's were refuelled and re-armed from unprepared strips close to the Iraqi border, which enabled them to achieve much higher sortie rates, and faster response/longer loiter over target on CAS missions, compared to Navy FA18's that used most of their fuel load on a long commute to and from carriers held a "safe" distance back down the Gulf, or Airforce aircraft flying from bases further south in Saudi. The whole idea of STOVL/VSTOL was that you weren't tied to major airfields and vulnerable to anyone who could field airfield denial weapons/artillery. OK, if you are the Americans, then for ten years at least, it is safe to assume you will always have total air superiority, but can we really assume the same?
 
#16
Never let the facts get in the way of a good pet-project promotion bus ticket. :)
I was actually asking a legit question, looking an answer to something I don't know.
 
#17
Like all 'governments' this government is not prepared to say: 'we fvcked up'.

This government is becoming such a fatuous joke that it is beginning to compare unfavourably with the previous government!

A 'Business Secretary' who does not 'like' the City - (The City produces 10% of our national product - and £58 Billion taxes to boot). This unreconstructed socialist idiot Vince ('Hindsight is So Good') Cable, now has, courtesy of the clown Cameron, an 'ambassador' for GB's Industry who will not promote the Arms and Weapons Industry! This ambassadorial twerp is Mr. Green, lately the head of HSBC - HSBC who are actively considering re-locating abroad! Mr. Green is a clerk in Holy Orders (a vicar) when he is not masquerading as a silly oaf, or a minister of The Crown.

Cameron - you are fast becoming the 'Mr. Bean' of the coalition. Tell you what Cameron - Mr. Clegg clearly has more 'guts and balls' than you do.

Just got my renewal notice for my membership of the Conservative Party - any suggestions Arrsers?

In simple terms: when I want the defence of my nation destroyed and handed over to the Eurofilth, I shall vote Labour. When I want the Sovereignty of my nation handed over to the Eurofilth , I shall vote Labour.

Now it seems I do not have to break a habit of a lifetime as both my desires expressed above are to be accomplished by:

Slimy Dave What a cvnt this man has turned out to be? Floreat Etona - Flourish a Turd more like!!
 
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I thought during Op Iraqi Freedom, Marine Corp AV8B's were refuelled and re-armed from unprepared strips close to the Iraqi border, which enabled them to achieve much higher sortie rates, and faster response/longer loiter over target on CAS missions, compared to Navy FA18's that used most of their fuel load on a long commute to and from carriers held a "safe" distance back down the Gulf, or Airforce aircraft flying from bases further south in Saudi. The whole idea of STOVL/VSTOL was that you weren't tied to major airfields and vulnerable to anyone who could field airfield denial weapons/artillery. OK, if you are the Americans, then for ten years at least, it is safe to assume you will always have total air superiority, but can we really assume the same?
Right or wrong, this is the essence of the argument that persuaded the RAF to buy into a joint-fleet with the FAA for the Harrier/Tornado/Jaguar replacement: JSF. Hence why the RAF was able to get on board the F-35B without too much fuss. In fact, they were more enthusiastic on the -B than the FAA.

Given that the F-35C is now the JSF of choice for HMG, the RAF is now going to have to take into its inventory an inferior aircraft (relative to the -A) at significantly greater cost (approx 40%) for no discernable tactical advantage other than they can lend aircraft to the FAA on demand. Unless of course, the unannounced detail of SDSR means two different versions of the F-35 are going to be in the UK inventory. ;)
 

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