Best and Worst Careers To Support TA

#1
From the vast experience of the TA officers and soldiers here, what do you consider the best and worst careers to support TA service.

I would have thought teaching is pretty good, regular hours, job security, limited weekend work and plenty of holidays.

For the worst i assume anything that involves long/irregular hours and weeknds, such as publican, restraunter, retail manager...

...over to you

D_D
 
#2
I don;t think there is a 'best' and 'worst', the TA is very flexible - the minimum attendance requirement for a National Unit is just 19 days.

Provided you let the CoC know when you cannot make it in, there are ususally no problems.

msr
 
#3
msr said:
I don;t think there is a 'best' and 'worst', the TA is very flexible - the minimum attendance requirement for a National Unit is just 19 days.

Provided you let the CoC know when you cannot make it in, there are ususally no problems.

msr
surely as an Officer / WO / SNCO you have a duty to your level of commitment to every drill night and Sqn/Regt trg weekend?
 

The_Duke

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#4
As with everything, pros and cons.

9 to 5 office job? Every weekend available, but limited annual leave probably means one 2 week course per year for most.

Self employed? Plenty of opportunity for arranging work to allow for extra camps/courses. However, may involve working weekends to finish a job and need to take most work going in the present economic climate so missing routine training.

Student? Great during the holidays, terrible during exams and revision time.
 
#5
I know of a couple of "seasonal" TA soldiers, one has his own gardening firm so during spring/summer he will do next to nothing TA wise but is flat out in the winter, another one I know is a TA version of a fair weather golfer, he will only come out to play if the sun is shining!
 

The_Duke

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#6
Danny_Dravot said:
msr said:
I don;t think there is a 'best' and 'worst', the TA is very flexible - the minimum attendance requirement for a National Unit is just 19 days.

Provided you let the CoC know when you cannot make it in, there are ususally no problems.

msr
surely as an Officer / WO / SNCO you have a duty to your level of commitment to every drill night and Sqn/Regt trg weekend?
No,

You have a duty to ensure that all of your responsibilities are carried out to support the soldiers under your command.

That often means working away from your Coy/Sqn, but in support of them (think grading/promotion conferences, RFCA meeting, Bde meetings etc). In order to keep the work-family-TA balance workable, sometimes you have to miss other training and do a lot of work in work time, or at home. That is what delegation and a command structure are all about.
 
#8
Best for me, as i'm in it, is the Civil Service - flexi-time, 2 weeks special paid leave for TA and 30 days annual leave. Plus, no real dramas with being 'intelligently' mobilised.

As for the weekends, our training calendar is published as far in advance as possible so that enables me to plan those around/with the football and tennis seasons during the appropriate times of year.
 
#9
the only career that will properly support the 'new' TA is...

Unemployed.

Solves all the SABrE problems, no employer issues, successive deployments now possible, and no making up the pay.

done deal.
 

The_Duke

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#10
MrTracey said:
the only career that will properly support the 'new' TA is...

Unemployed.

Solves all the SABrE problems, no employer issues, successive deployments now possible, and no making up the pay.

done deal.
So why out of a company of 90+ do I have only one in that position? Some people struggling in the building trades certainly, but no long term unemployed.

MrT - Have you resigned from your job or the TA then, seeing as you believe them to be incompatible? Always the glass half empty with you, isn't it?
 
#11
I am In the Civil service, and I get 8 weeks payed holiday and I am aloud up to 4 weeks on payed leave a year. The only thing Is I work a 4 day on 2 day off shift, so If a TA weekend land on a weekend when I am on shift It comes out of my holiday.
 
#12
I'm my experience teachers always had a lot of problems, particularly with camps as they rarely, in my units, fell into line with academic holidays.

Like many others they have certains times of the year where holidays are a no go too.
 
#13
MrTracey said:
the only career that will properly support the 'new' TA is...

Unemployed.

Solves all the SABrE problems, no employer issues, successive deployments now possible, and no making up the pay.

done deal.
Is all the Regular Army just unemployed civillians then??
 
#14
Gluck_ab said:
Best for me, as i'm in it, is the Civil Service - flexi-time, 2 weeks special paid leave for TA and 30 days annual leave. Plus, no real dramas with being 'intelligently' mobilised.

As for the weekends, our training calendar is published as far in advance as possible so that enables me to plan those around/with the football and tennis seasons during the appropriate times of year.
The NHS is like this also and (in my area) is reasonably tolerant of losing a number of staff from A&E or ITU at the same time to go on ops.
 
#15
My experience is that civil servants get the best level of support. Some major companies have nice sounding policies about support, leave etc - but this is not carried through when it reaches the line manager level.

I personally had a "lack of commitment to the company" line appear in my annual report after a row with my LM when I asked to leave a meeting at 7pm on a Friday night in order to attend a TA weekend.

Best support I ever had was with ICI, where my LM had been a Pln Sgt in the Australian Army (2 tours in Vietnam) and the bloke above him had been a 2Lt in Normandy. Sadly, 30 years later, that generation are all long retired.
 
#16
Danny_Dravot said:
From the vast experience of the TA officers and soldiers here, what do you consider the best and worst careers to support TA service.

I would have thought teaching is pretty good, regular hours, job security, limited weekend work and plenty of holidays.

...over to you

D_D
Sadly, being a teacher and in the TA is far from 'pretty good'. Annual camps are always in term time, as are any trade courses. Half term holidays are only a week long - annual camps are two. Plus the army have block leave at the same time as us for xmas, easter and summer - try finding a course in those slots!! (Apart from a few random ones which may, by some miracle, coincide with the holidays... that's why I've ended up with a drill instructor qual! :eek: )

It buggers up your promotional prospects because you are never 'seen' by the powers-that-be on camp, and your commitment is also brought into question as a result. "We need to see you on camp / you must be on this camp / why weren't you on camp" - Unfortunately, just as the government don't like kids playing hookie, they are none to thrilled about teachers being absent in term time!! (It's a hard enough job trying to get a day off to go on a course which will benefit the school, let alone 2 weeks for what they see as a 'jolly'!!! 8O ). I am gutted particularly this year as we are due to go to Gib!

Parent's evenings and school trips can also affect drill nights and sometimes you are just too knackered from teaching during the week to attend some w/ends. Coursework season and report writing season also affect w/e attendance as they have to be the priority.

If I had not already been part of the TA before becoming a teacher, I very much doubt I would have been able to join now. Any teacher thinking of joining now would need a very 'on-side' headmaster... if you have one, let me know and i'll apply for a job there!!!

The headmaster from my first teaching post (ironically in Aldershot, so you'd think he'd be a bit more understanding!), on my first day greeted me not with "welcome to *** Manor School, I hope you'll enjoy it" (or similar) but instead, before I even had a chance to speak bellowed at me: "I know what you are going to ask. You are going to ask for time off for TA and my answer is no. You can do that in your own time. And if you are called up for the Gulf, I will appeal and I WILL win and you won't go." This understandably put my back up, especially as all I was going to ask was whether I could have the day before my wedding off to help set up the hall. What a cock!!!!!!!!!!!!! :evil:

BTW D-D... how many teachers do you know out of interest? I can assure you there are no such things as 'limited weekend work and regular hours'. It is not uncommon to be in school for 8am and still be there at 8pm (later during parent evenings)!! Lunch hours (if only) are spent with helping pupils or extra-curricular clubs. Marking has to be done at some point and this is usually the weekends and evenings... or holidays. Half terms are basically 'non-contact' time with kids as opposed to 'party time' - lessons don't just happen, they need to be planned, new projects need to be written, displays have to be changed.... All that and having to deal with kids who don't want to learn, parents who don't see it as their responsibility to instill some manners and respect in their kids, government jobsworths who keep introducing new schemes and targets, league tables, Ofsted inspections, oh and somewhere in all that trying to keep your family happy cos you're spending all your time at school or at TA (trying to prove that you are committed and do deserve promotion!)

Phew, rant over. Just warming up for parent's evening tonight, lol! :twisted:

And for all those who say a teacher's life is easy... put your money where your mouth is and give it a go. We're short of teachers, so you'll be welcomed with open arms... :D
 
#17
I'm in the Royal Mail and I get military leave "with pay for the two week annual active service commitment. A maximum of 9 days per year unpaid leave to cover travel to and from the six mandatory weekend training camps". I can also take up to 30 days holiday a year and after 2 years service can apply for a career break.

*edited to add*
Freebie, there is no way I'd be a teacher! Don't know how you guys do it.
 
#18
freebie said:
on my first day greeted me not with "welcome to *** Manor School, I hope you'll enjoy it" (or similar)
Minley?
 
#19
msr said:
freebie said:
on my first day greeted me not with "welcome to *** Manor School, I hope you'll enjoy it" (or similar)
Minley?
Ash... THE single most horrific year of my life... I actually volunteered for an op tour just to get away!! (I couldn't go in the end as my new job wasn't guaranteed to be saved - the op tour started before my job technically did, so they weren't legally bound to keep the position open)
 
#20
The_Duke said:
MrTracey said:
the only career that will properly support the 'new' TA is...

Unemployed.

Solves all the SABrE problems, no employer issues, successive deployments now possible, and no making up the pay.

done deal.
So why out of a company of 90+ do I have only one in that position? Some people struggling in the building trades certainly, but no long term unemployed.

MrT - Have you resigned from your job or the TA then, seeing as you believe them to be incompatible? Always the glass half empty with you, isn't it?
Hey Dukey - how's things in the part time regulars?

My glass is rarely half empty - briefly full, then empty.

I'm just making a prediction as to the long term nature of it all - the teachers story says it all.

I have not resigned, nor am I unemployed (today), and have just completed a few days TA - still managing the life balance at the moment but at 2,000 TA p.a. from this year for Ops, I can't see that lasting....
 

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