Right first off I may have posted this in the wrong forum so accept my appoligise in advance. Basically I do a far amount of hill walking mostly in the lakes and im after either an Karrimore Viper bergen or an OG PLCE (Short back) Ive had a look on ebay but some of the prices take the piss! ive benn out of the army for nearly 6 years but I caint get on with the civie rucksacs that you can buy from Blacks /Cotswolds etc. I'll pay a good price for used but im not haveing my pants pulled down. cheers .