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Bergan and security

#1
I'm off to KL and Oz in March and want to put kit into my faithful old Bergan and put it in the hold.

1) How can I make it secure so that the blokes at Thiefrow don't nick stuff?

2) Having used my Bergan in the field and, therefore, may have traces of powder on it, will it set off all sorts of alarms at security/check-in?
 
#2
I'm off to KL and Oz in March and want to put kit into my faithful old Bergan and put it in the hold.

1) How can I make it secure so that the blokes at Thiefrow don't nick stuff?

2) Having used my Bergan in the field and, therefore, may have traces of powder on it, will it set off all sorts of alarms at security/check-in?
You could use something like this
Pacsafe Rucksack Harness 55 - 85litre

Or get it wrapped in 20 boxes of clingfilm.

I think if it's only footpowder you will be ok but if you've been doing Heroin then you could be in trouble.
They generally swab bags as a test but I think that's for explosives. Mind you have you been knocking about with PE4?
 

Ravers

LE
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#4
Go and buy a decent rucksack you horrible Pikey. Why would you want to draw attention to yourself? I bet you are the sort of person who bulls their combat highs on Thursday evenings so you look extra cool at the motorway service station during the drive home on Friday.

In all seriousness, check the local laws, many countries have a blanket ban on anyone using camo other than their armed forces.

Oh and in answer to your questions:

1. You can't, the handlers are highly trained in the art of thievery, don't worry though, seeing that you have chosen to use your gopping old bergen over a decent holdall or rucksack, they will probably think you are too poor to afford any thing worth robbing.

2. Unless you spent your time in the field making IEDs or liberally sprinkling gun powder on your gear, I reckon you will be fine.
 
#5
1. Wrap it (or get it wrapped at the baggage services shop) with cling film. This is commonly used all over the world, and stops petty pilfering. Alternatively, baggage shops sell those lockable wire-mesh covers for rucksacks - unfortunately, these use up a chunk of your weight allowance.
 
#7
You can buy packs with wire mesh built in but it is a lot of extra weight that you may decide you can do without.

There is no really good answer except to carry your valuables with you. Anything that is no able to be carried on the flight, place it right at the bottom of your bergan. But I agree with the previous poster, why travel with a military bergan?
 

Ravers

LE
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#8
Some light reading from the Malaysian penal code, I've highlighted the good bits.

MINOR OFFENCES ACT 1955 (REVISED 1987)

25. Wearing unauthorised uniform.

Whoever wears without due permission the uniform appointed for the use of any of the armed forces of Malaysia or of any local force or visiting force or of the police force of Malaysia or of Singapore or of any Government or Local Authority or any dress having the appearance or bearing any of the regimental or other distinctive badges of such uniform or any colourable imitation thereof shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding fifty ringgit, and any such uniform, dress, badge or mark may be forfeited:

Provided that nothing in this section shall affect the wearing of such uniform for the purpose of any theatrical performance.

25A. Wearing, possessing or manufacturing of camouflage uniform.

(1) Any person, not being a member of the armed forces of Malaysia or of a visiting force, who wears any camouflage uniform or any part thereof or anything resembling a camouflage uniform or has in his possession, custody or control any camouflage cloth or camouflage uniform or any part thereof or anything resembling any camouflage cloth shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding five hundred ringgit or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or to both.

(2) Any person, without the written permission of the Minister, who makes, manufactures, sells, buys, imports or exports any camouflage cloth or any camouflage uniform or any part thereof or anything resembling camouflage uniform or camouflage cloth shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding one thousand ringgit or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding twelve months or to both.

(3) (a) Any police officer may without warrant arrest any person suspected of committing any offence under this section and any goods in relation to which the offence was committed may be seized by such police officer.

(b) An order for the forfeiture of any goods seized under paragraph (a) shall be made by the court notwithstanding that no person may have been convicted of an offence under this section.
Go buy yourself a decent rucksack.
 

Travelgall

MIA
Kit Reviewer
#9
Go and buy a decent rucksack you horrible Pikey. Why would you want to draw attention to yourself? I bet you are the sort of person who bulls their combat highs on Thursday evenings so you look extra cool at the motorway service station during the drive home on Friday.

In all seriousness, check the local laws, many countries have a blanket ban on anyone using camo other than their armed forces.

Oh and in answer to your questions:

1. You can't, the handlers are highly trained in the art of thievery, don't worry though, seeing that you have chosen to use your gopping old bergen over a decent holdall or rucksack, they will probably think you are too poor to afford any thing worth robbing.

2. Unless you spent your time in the field making IEDs or liberally sprinkling gun powder on your gear, I reckon you will be fine.
The Breadstealers don't have a problem with DPM. Its countries in the Caribbean and African ones with regular military coups that have the restriction. Aruba, Barbados, Ivory Coast, St Kitts and Nevis, St Lucia, Madagascar, Zimbabwe.

I agree that a Bergan ius a damn handy piece of kit to go round the world backpacking. I however have the old Olive Drab one as well so i don't have too much of an issue with clothing. As long as you're visiting somewhere that was/is on our side I don't see the problem in using your Bergan (I'd be careful backpacking round Argentina, Iraq, Serbia or anybody else at the recieving end of HM's finest Precision guided munitions in the last 20 years or so). I work on the Side pouches for Pants and socks, suncream and mossie nets. Books in the outside pouches and the rest of my clothes in the main section. Obviously Pornography and other vaulable things get zipped inside the lid cover.

Regarding it honking of PE4, Cordite or other materials that drive Spaniel puppies bananas at airports. You could try washing it? Alternatively carry your MOD90 which should give a good enough reason. I'd build a good hour into your travel plans to explain this to airport plod though.
 

Travelgall

MIA
Kit Reviewer
#10
Some light reading from the Malaysian penal code, I've highlighted the good bits.

Go buy yourself a decent rucksack.
Hmmm, since Malasia is on your list Ravers is right. Unless you plan on carrying your kit in a couple of black bin bags out of the airport when they confiscate it, use an old Olive Drab one or buy another rucksack.
 
#11
Bomb-Int, Ravers, Travelgall and others.... thanks for your time. I think I'll take the advice and get a new rucksack. There's too much cordite/old Porn/empty bottles in mine. I may just get my old Samsonite and buy a bag in KL or Perth, Oz for our little jaunt. Does an MOD90 work abroad for discounts or am I just being a Jock? Thanks anyway lads.
 

Ravers

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#13
Bomb-Int, Ravers, Travelgall and others.... thanks for your time. I think I'll take the advice and get a new rucksack. There's too much cordite/old Porn/empty bottles in mine. I may just get my old Samsonite and buy a bag in KL or Perth, Oz for our little jaunt. Does an MOD90 work abroad for discounts or am I just being a Jock? Thanks anyway lads.
I've never been to KL but if it's even vaguely like Singapore City, you will be able to buy a very good (knock off) North Face rucksack for around $15 US.
 
#14
don't ******* sweat it just don't take owt you can't replace

anything of value, cash and cards just keep on you

The net things are clever but you'll lose interest in sorting it out every five minutes
 

wedge_cadman

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#15
look for TSA approved padlocks if you have zippers on your bergan, as stated dpm is not a good thing in Asia and Central America.
 
#16
I have seen backpackers in Australia being required to place their backpacks in a large heavy-weight plastic bag which is then sealed. I think the reason for it is to secure the waist belt and other various bits and pieces that hang off them so that they can't get caught during loading and unloading.

No, it wouldn't stop a thief who wants to rummage through your stuff. On the other hand, if the plastic bag covering is torn or cut you have the start of a defence should something "recreational" be found in there. This is something to be considered going to countries like Malaysia which still stretches the neck of people found importing or exporting said "recreational" stuff.
 

MrBane

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#17
*Thinks*

Isn't against our own rules to travel in civilian capacity with military kit or clothing on or about your person? Or was that just suggested codes of practice for when NI was all the rage?

I do recall that one bit of reading stated the fairly obvious, in that it just makes you a massive, massive target. Why do that to yourself? Next thing you know you'll be walking around Tescos with your shirt untucked and your beret at a jaunty angle pushing a shopping trolley full of beer, crisps and top shelf publications. :)
 
#18
*Thinks*

Isn't against our own rules to travel in civilian capacity with military kit or clothing on or about your person? Or was that just suggested codes of practice for when NI was all the rage?

I do recall that one bit of reading stated the fairly obvious, in that it just makes you a massive, massive target. Why do that to yourself? Next thing you know you'll be walking around Tescos with your shirt untucked and your beret at a jaunty angle pushing a shopping trolley full of beer, crisps and top shelf publications. :)
Persec is regulary ignored by all three services when traveling in civy attire (each to their own) but nowhere as rife as what it used to be, significantly ignored by the RN element & unsure of the Crabs...

I never travel using issued kit unless in a vehicle in which it is easier to be unseen from lurking eyes, persec is your own responsiblity & common sense...
 
#19
Given you can buy DPM fashionist in most Asian bazaars and half the beggars are in DPM trousers (US Style) I am not sure how strict the local plod is. Just don't go looking like you are part of some coup or a visiting Major General.
Trousers lightweight and the plain green bergan should be fine. 58 pattern or a chest rig might bevasking for trouble but then younwould deserve it.
I always carry a sweat rag!
 
#20
*Thinks*

Isn't against our own rules to travel in civilian capacity with military kit or clothing on or about your person? Or was that just suggested codes of practice for when NI was all the rage?

I do recall that one bit of reading stated the fairly obvious, in that it just makes you a massive, massive target. Why do that to yourself? Next thing you know you'll be walking around Tescos with your shirt untucked and your beret at a jaunty angle pushing a shopping trolley full of beer, crisps and top shelf publications. :)[/QUOTE]

You're absolutely right Mr. Bane - just come to Woking or 'Shot and watch in disgust.

Anyway, I've taken wedge_cadman's advice, read the reviews and am buying a bag and a lockable wire-mesh cover off him.
 

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