Bent 'charity' - Our Heroes Matter Sunderland

#1
Longish story that I'll try to keep short.

This mob have a second hand shop in Fawcett St Sunderland, they've been pinged by the local RBL lot as a scam, they originally advertised as a charity however they were trading as a limited company at the time (Our Heroes Matter UK ltd) they have now changed their description on he website to a 'fundraising organisation'.

They used to have a blatant copy to the HFH but, after a snotogram from HFH sharp changed it.

They have charity boxes all over the North East, non have a charity number on, they were also caught out collecting door to door but claimed it was someone copying their logo. I've overheard the shop manager claiming that all the money goes to the boss, including donations from the public.

They're ran by a Father and Son who just happen to be slum landlords, Jason Dunville.

What to do? Have they broken any laws?

J.
 
#4
Cheers WS, I'll fire off an email and see what the score is.
 

Wordsmith

LE
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#5
Other thing you can do is go to Companies House.

http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk

You can look up their details by going to the Find Company Information section. Here it is.

OHM-1.jpg

A quick look shows the company was founded on 5th January 2012. If they leave it to the last minute, they don't have to file their first year's accounts until October of this year.

So the company exists but at present there is no useful information to be obtained bar what I've posted. (Unless you want a list of directors).

I'm not an expert on it but the type of company is that often set up for charities - but that doesn't mean anything until you see their accounts - which you can't get at the moment.

Wordsmith
 
#7
Not sure they'll run it without concrete proof, the Sunderland Echo aren't known for their investigative journalism!
 
#8
I'd be really interested to know the status of having collection tins without being a charity though. Anyone got any ideas?
 
#9

CountryGal

MIA
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#10
Trading standards at the local council might be worth contacting too - seeing as they are a limited company


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Wordsmith

LE
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#11
Curiouser and curiouser said Alice...

OHM-1.png

Now this company was formed on 17th August 2011. It was trading as Our Heroes Matter (UK) Ltd before the name change.

If anyone didn't know that, they'd assume that the current Our Heroes Matter (UK) Ltd should only have accounts going back to the date of its formation on 5th January 2012. On the other hand the earlier company wasn't set up as a Private, Limited by Guarantee, No Share Capital company - which I understand is the usual form for a charity trading as a limited company.

Wordsmith

Edited to Add: The name change was on 29th December 2011 which would fit in with the change to company type. The interesting question will be how far the accounts go back for the latest company - to January 2012 or to August 2011.
 

CountryGal

MIA
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#12
Ws - do you mean by changing their name they didn't need to file accounts that year?


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Wordsmith

LE
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#13
And another one - even if the charity is dubious, there's a good chance it could be done legally.

Income £50,000, expenses £49,999, donations to charity £1.

A slightly rediculous example - the Charity Commission will be able to advise better.

Wordsmith
 

Wordsmith

LE
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#15
Ws - do you mean by changing their name they didn't need to file accounts that year?
It looks like the two companies and name change were to get the limited company into the legal form more commonly associated with charities. I'm not an expert, but I have seen the latter form associated with a number of not for profit organisations.

If they're legit, they'll file accounts for company 2 going back to August 2011. If they're a bit dubious, the accounts will go back to January 2012 - i.e. a 4 month difference.

But you don't have to actually file accounts at Companies House until 9 months after the end of your financial year so there will be no legal way of seeing their accounts before then. And even then they could charge heavy expenses to administration and still be within the bounds of the law.

Wordsmith
 
#16
The dad is Alan John Dunville which goes back even further. Neither have had anything to do with the mob.

Seem odd that they've been trading since 2011 but are still pending a charity number and why would someone set up as a Ltd company rather than a charity in the first place?

It just all seems queer. Very very queer.
 

Wordsmith

LE
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#17
I'm a bit short of time tonight - one or two other things to do. But could you post the names of the companies and I'll check them on Companies House tomorrow. If the companies are nothing to do with charities for the military, no problem. But if there are a series of companies that were and were closed before they had to file accounts that would be a different matter.

Wordsmith
 
#18
It seems he's jinxed.

Regal UK Limited (Company is dissolved)
04043377
Closed: 29 Jan 2001 — Close
Director, Cleaner
Labour Recruitment & Provision of Personnel

Spy Security Services Limited (Company is dissolved)
05717013
Closed: 02 Aug 2006 — Close
Company Secretary, Director
Other Service Activities

Elite Security (Northern) Limited (In Liquidation)
06430872
Open: 13 Mar 2008 — Present (4 years, 10 months, 1 day)
Company Secretary, Manager
Investigation & Security Activities

Tenco Lss (UK) Limited (Company is dissolved)
06966292
Closed: 20 Jul 2009 — Close
Director, Managing Director

Crest Dry Cleaning Ne Limited (Company is dissolved)
07005800
Closed: 01 Sep 2009 — Close
Director, Manager

Lockhart Security Services (UK) Limited (Company is dissolved)
07511321
Closed: 31 Jan 2011 — Close
Director, Director

Lockhart Security Services Limited (Company is dissolved)
07511364
Closed: 31 Jan 2011 — Close
Director, Director

About Jason Dunville
Jason John Dunville is currently 40 years old and first became a director 17 years ago at the age of 23. His most recent non-secretarial directorship is with Our Heroes Matter (UK) Limited where he holds the position of "Director".
 

Wordsmith

LE
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#19
It seems he's jinxed.
That's the pattern you see with someone who knows the law and stays just inside the law when running/closing them.

In other companies where I've seen this done, its not usually the director that takes the financial bath. One company I know of went bust 4 times and rose from the ashes with the directors still holding most of the assets. They came a cropper when they tried it on with a company that did know the law and made sure that the raw materials they supplied were secured against the assets of the company. That time it was the first company that took the financial hit - much to the chagrin of the directors.

None of those other companies appear to be involved with charities.

Wordsmith
 
#20
Charity law changed relatively recently, so don't discount the structure.

Besides, it has to be dubious, there aren't any heroes in Sunderland.......(sorry, not the Naafi etc.)
 

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