Benefits to our economy

#1
I am a little lost and would like someone to help me out.

I keep hearing how these economic migrants are benefiting our econmy, well I have done a little digging (very little I know) and am wondering how much it costs in tax or how much they contribute in tax.

So lets say that they are on low wages, say £5 PH (this after all is what they are here for is it not? the low paid jobs we dont want to do)

This is around £10200 per annum.

According to this tax calculator:-

Tax paid

They will pay £1,445.46 in tax.

But according to this calculator:-

WFTC

They will recieve £6928, if they have 3 children (lets face it they will ALL have at least 3 when they know that they can get paid for them and do not have to show any proof).

By my reckoning thats £5482.54 they WE pay THEM to work here.

Is there something wrong with my mathematics?
 
#2
EX_REME said:
I am a little lost and would like someone to help me out.

I keep hearing how these economic migrants are benefiting our econmy, well I have done a little digging (very little I know) and am wondering how much it costs in tax or how much they contribute in tax.

So lets say that they are on low wages, say £5 PH (this after all is what they are here for is it not? the low paid jobs we dont want to do)

This is around £10200 per annum.

According to this tax calculator:-

Tax paid

They will pay £1,445.46 in tax.

But according to this calculator:-

WFTC

They will recieve £6928, if they have 3 children (lets face it they will ALL have at least 3 when they know that they can get paid for them and do not have to show any proof).

By my reckoning thats £5482.54 they WE pay THEM to work here.

Is there something wrong with my mathematics?
My cousin the benefits officer is on holiday this week - I will ask her in a weeks time (if I remember) if EU migrants can claim tax credits.
 
#3
Ah but mate, you are assuming that we all get paid to the real value of our work and its benefit to the economy. I don't pretend to know the answer to your question but it's more complicated than tax in - tax out.
 
#4
EX_REME said:
I am a little lost and would like someone to help me out.

I keep hearing how these economic migrants are benefiting our econmy, well I have done a little digging (very little I know) and am wondering how much it costs in tax or how much they contribute in tax.

So lets say that they are on low wages, say £5 PH (this after all is what they are here for is it not? the low paid jobs we dont want to do)

This is around £10200 per annum.

According to this tax calculator:-

Tax paid

They will pay £1,445.46 in tax.

But according to this calculator:-

WFTC

They will recieve £6928, if they have 3 children (lets face it they will ALL have at least 3 when they know that they can get paid for them and do not have to show any proof).

By my reckoning thats £5482.54 they WE pay THEM to work here.

Is there something wrong with my mathematics?
I was inder the impression that most immigrants are young single men with no dependants.

I thought the minimum wage was well over £5 these days.

and lastly, you're assuming these people are only working 38 hours a week.

So how much does the single (bloke lives there but not 'officially')british born and bred bird with 5 kids at number 49 get then?
 
#5
i believe that your right Ex-REME and how can we blame them for coming when they will get child benefit and tax credits paid here and in some cases also be paid by there own state the polish government for one are not happy that they claim benefits in there own country while working in ours.

The thing to mind here that this is our government once more acting on EU law? When it need not! The EU is not one great evil but neither is it a great good, in its present form.

Cheap labour is cheap labour regardless of if it is British workers or foreign workers.

My personal gripe is! The government tells us industry need cheap migrant workers, and then ends up subcididing these labour costs. i for one think if that is to be the case then we should not be importing this so called!Important to industry! Cheap labour!
 
#7
Litotes said:
Just think of all the new genes. Some of them Polish birds are quite fit!:
Yes, but they are money grabbing b*astards, who think that we owe them a favour just because they look beautiful!!

Thes cnuts should be sent back to where they came from!!
 
#8
Well we DID once upon a time invite the entire empire to come live with us ya ken...

Which is why we might be tag teaming with South Africa down in Rhodesia after all, despite the Euro-Lefties squealing like wabbits caught in headlights & about to be run over by a 4-Tonner:

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iPUTlzQpO2utfZ6NvftxLmt-_rCw

Nay say, and expect "Doc Rob Nutjob (tm)" to start laying on extradition flights to Heathrow for his entire population all by himself:

http://www3.turkishpress.com/i-i/SGE.HIQ76.010807171912.photo00.quicklook.default-245x161.jpg

What colour to paint the wagons? It's skimming in and out all your mellons... admit it ;)
 
#10
Who the hell is Ken?

Ahhh, he's a Jock!!!
 
#12
EX_REME wrote:

I keep hearing how these economic migrants are benefiting our econmy, well I have done a little digging (very little I know) and am wondering how much it costs in tax or how much they contribute in tax.
The counter-arguments for the various government smokescreens are on here

http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/

Can't be arrsed linking the specific pages cos the real reasons are 1) the ground level PC left believe in diversity like it's a religion and 2) the top bods want to import more labour voters.
 
#13
What about those that come over and go straight on housing benefit and start selling the Big Issue? How exactly are they benefiting the economy. Oh and I'm not just making this up. At home we have had the same speshul chappie standing on a corner for years selling the Big Issue, there are now 3 economic immigrants also selling the Big Issue. They stand one on either side of him at a distance approx 30 foot from him and one on the other side of the street. He has on occassion not been able to stand on the corner he has stood on for years because one of them is there. So he has moved to another location.Only to find himself again with one either side at the usual distance. I have asked each of these individuals how long they have been in the country. Replies were along the lines of 'no english, no understand'. To clarify the situation i then asked, do you speak english. No is the resounding reply. So not only are they claiming benefits, someone is actually assisting them to access said benefits by acting as interpretor for them. They are then further assisted by all benefit forms being available in their language. Surely having these forms printed in so many other languages is also a drain on the economy. On top of this these people are immediately entitled to NHS care without having to pay into it. Is this not yet another drain on the economy.
I have absolutely no issue with people who wish to come here and work and pay their way but I do object to those who arrive and immediately get benefits etc. My personal opinion is to introduce measures to ensure that immigrants have to pay NI and Tax for a set number of years before they are eligible to draw out of the pot. This way economic immigrants may just benefit the economy.
 
#14
Here Here!!
 
#15
halomonkey said:
What about those that come over and go straight on housing benefit and start selling the Big Issue?
EU immigrants aren't entitled to any benefits until they've paid NI for 12 months.

How exactly are they benefiting the economy. Oh and I'm not just making this up.
Are you sure you're not? The homeless sell the Big Issue. The homeless don't receive housing benefit.
 
#16
halomonkey said:
What about those that come over and go straight on housing benefit and start selling the Big Issue? How exactly are they benefiting the economy. Oh and I'm not just making this up. At home we have had the same speshul chappie standing on a corner for years selling the Big Issue, there are now 3 economic immigrants also selling the Big Issue. They stand one on either side of him at a distance approx 30 foot from him and one on the other side of the street. He has on occassion not been able to stand on the corner he has stood on for years because one of them is there. So he has moved to another location.Only to find himself again with one either side at the usual distance. I have asked each of these individuals how long they have been in the country. Replies were along the lines of 'no english, no understand'. To clarify the situation i then asked, do you speak english. No is the resounding reply. So not only are they claiming benefits, someone is actually assisting them to access said benefits by acting as interpretor for them. They are then further assisted by all benefit forms being available in their language. Surely having these forms printed in so many other languages is also a drain on the economy. On top of this these people are immediately entitled to NHS care without having to pay into it. Is this not yet another drain on the economy.
I have absolutely no issue with people who wish to come here and work and pay their way but I do object to those who arrive and immediately get benefits etc. My personal opinion is to introduce measures to ensure that immigrants have to pay NI and Tax for a set number of years before they are eligible to draw out of the pot. This way economic immigrants may just benefit the economy.
I have already asked the question of "Where have all the local big issue sellers gone" on this forum before.
Maybe because of all the benefit of migrants they have all now been housed and only migrants now have to sell the big issue. :roll:

Its not only in your town/city, it is all over the country.
 
#17
ottar said:
halomonkey said:
What about those that come over and go straight on housing benefit and start selling the Big Issue?
EU immigrants aren't entitled to any benefits until they've paid NI for 12 months.

How exactly are they benefiting the economy. Oh and I'm not just making this up.
Are you sure you're not? The homeless sell the Big Issue. The homeless don't receive housing benefit.
Tax credits?
Got a link?
 
#18
ottar said:
halomonkey said:
What about those that come over and go straight on housing benefit and start selling the Big Issue?
EU immigrants aren't entitled to any benefits until they've paid NI for 12 months.

How exactly are they benefiting the economy. Oh and I'm not just making this up.
Are you sure you're not? The homeless sell the Big Issue. The homeless don't receive housing benefit.
They are entitled to housing benefit.
check your facts before attempting to be a smart ass. The Big Issue is sold by those on low income :D

edited to add, just because a person is classed as homeless does not mean they are living rough. Homeless these days includes those who have presented themselves to their local council and come under the guidelines of 'homeless'.They may then be placed in a hostel, B&B, Flat, House or any other building provided by the council for those classed as homeless. When in these premises, whilst still classed as homeless they pay rent and as such are entitled to claim housing benefit.
 
#19
Oh it's worse than THAT jim... the NHS have recently come clean... guess who get's to the top of the waiting list because, "keeping interpreters on standby is too expensive"

Muhhahahahahha!!!!

The poles ain't an issue, despite a couple of million of them declaring they still intend to come. That and most of them are grafters, the ones you see bin raiding the Red Cross Bins around the estates are the same typo's who fled west after the wall came down - not prepared you see. They'll bugger arf home after we've trained them up to industrialise and service sector their own nation mark my words well... and hey, we DID declare war for them.

What you need to fear is the inevitable release of 1/3rd of the Population of the entire planet dwelling in China to come here. You do realise they love us after we honoured a 2 century (+) old business contract on the New Territories? Why then it'll really be standing room only in Blighty. Trick is to go to buy up the places they leave behind and build a detached with a pool for way less than a 1 bed flat ;)

It's no biggy, even your kids pay their taxes for their sweeties... Globalisation Stage III (or is it Stage IV - I forget - consult the handbook) is ripe.

There may be the occasional case of the fan hitting the shite on the news from people who just don't have a clue how to speak Ye Aulde English, but I'm not overly fussed... I'm eyeballing estates oversea's me :)
 
#20
This is how they benifit the economy. They work for less than minimum wage, the building industry benefits, the hospitality industry benefits, farmers benefit. It means that british workers, sorry shirkers, have to actually stay out of work in order to feed their families.
 

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