Benefits of High Speed Rail project exaggerated, secret report reveals

I think HS2 should continue in order to realise the far-out benefits - better linkage with Europe, reduction in external and internal flights and internal road use, etc. Many of course will never use it but it will take pressure off what they do use. The analysis needs a hundred year horizon.

As to this four-minute stuff, the fewer the stations the less this matters. You can't have a High Speed link that potters from stop to stop like the Titfield Thunderbolt.
You been on the waccie baccie?
 
Just passed through Wolverton and MK Central. From stop moving to start moving again - 60 seconds at both.
I was specifically talking about the new Siemens that run on the Southern routes. I've no idea about your area.
 
I was specifically talking about the new Siemens that run on the Southern routes. I've no idea about your area.
The ones where you can walk between cars without having to operate two sets of sliding doors where the cars are coupled?
 
You mean like the Overground? It's just one long train as you walk through them, with multiple carriages.
I've never knowingly used the Overground, but they're a bit like the Jubilee (?) line trains I've used, where you could see from end to end if there were no passengers, but the Southern trains that run south out of MK have much more clutter like internal fittings like front and rear facing seating, WCs and luggage racks either side of the aisles.
 
I've never knowingly used the Overground, but they're a bit like the Jubilee (?) line trains I've used, where you could see from end to end if there were no passengers,
I don't know if Jubilee has those now - not the last time I've used them - a while ago now. But yes, you're right, in your description.
 
And so it continues...

More delay. More money,

Crossrail Probably Won't Open In Autumn 2019

Has anyone noticed how they seem to have gone back to calling it 'Crossrail' rather than the 'Elizabeth Line'? No doubt to save HM the embarrassment of having her name associated with such a farce.
Engineering wise, I watch what they are trying to do and I am like, "I can't do that!"

BBC iPlayer - The Fifteen Billion Pound Railway - Under Pressure, Over Budget: Episode 2
 
Forget the politics and low labour costs, but I do admire engineering.
So do I, but more especially when the job comes in on time and on budget.

The tunnelling part seems to be the bit that they managed to get right. The mechanical technology used there is fundamentally the same as that used to build the Thames Tunnel and the City & South London tube in the 1800s.

It's the operational technology and the completion of the stations that has run away from them into the uncertain distance. The time to lean back in admiration (or not) is the time when the project is up and running satisfactorily.
 
So do I, but more especially when the job comes in on time and on budget.

The tunnelling part seems to be the bit that they managed to get right. The mechanical technology used there is fundamentally the same as that used to build the Thames Tunnel and the City & South London tube in the 1800s.

It's the operational technology and the completion of the stations that has run away from them into the uncertain distance. The time to lean back in admiration (or not) is the time when the project is up and running satisfactorily.
From a pace point of view and the tech they've implemented and keep doing it it's just bloody amazing. Sure not everything may not be perfect but when you consider how long and how much it costs even to do a simple thing in the U.S., it beggars belief!

And this is like industrial revolution in fast forward.
 

ugly

LE
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One of the problems with being first - having to then redesign and adapt to the next gen.
The problem was the public and MP's believed APT was to be in service, it was in essence a production trial of several concepts. In cab signalling, enhanced permitted speed, tilting trains and in theory a moving block. |The tilting thing worked but it needed tweaking, the money wasn't there in BR for the rest of the stuff. BR designed and built SSI the worlds firs solid state interlocking which had safety by redundancy built in. We installed it in a few places but we didn't have the staff to keep spare to install it across the network as and when it was needed. It was licensed to GEC and Westinghouse and they also built it for other firms which meant BR didn't have to invest in staff that wouldn't be used most of the year. It was all they could do at the time as the money wasn't there!
 

Yeo_Man

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Guess what?


This was the figure put forward and rubbished by HS2 and Govt. two years ago.

Kill it.
Given the debacle that is Crossrail, do we even believe £56 Bn would be the final figure?

I’m not sure you could find a competent management team in the UK private sector and most definitely not in the public sector.

YM
 

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