Belguim bans burqa

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#4
The banning of the burka is because the authorities want to see your face, they don't give a **** about 'symbol of oppression' bollocks.

"Those Muslims who ignore the ban could face fines of £22 and a jail sentence of up to seven days unless they have written police permission to wear the garments."

So they ban people for wearing what they want? Great. People are going to look back years from now, and laugh at us.
 
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DIVVYCIVVY said:
The banning of the burka is because the authorities want to see your face, they don't give a * about 'symbol of oppression' balls.

"Those Muslims who ignore the ban could face fines of £22 and a jail sentence of up to seven days unless they have written police permission to wear the garments."

So they ban people for wearing what they want? Great. People are going to look back years from now, and laugh at us.
Maybe, I am not sure. On the whole I am uncomfortable about banning things, OTOH, I intensely dislike the burkha. I see it as a symbol of oppression and can never trust somebody that hides their face.
 
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Wearing the burqa/niqab seems supererogatory, and therefore analagous to those who wear optional symbols of other religions. There is UK precedent for limiting such attire, and non-religious attire too.

[Edited to correct spelling: see comments below].
 
#7
France might be next. Germany are already half-way there and Holland are considering the idea.

For some reason I think that the UK wouldn't do this even if it becomes widespread elsewhere
 
#8
I only agree with a ban when it comes to driving - i honestly cant understand how they can drive safe wearing these!

Other than that they can keep them on - most of them are prob munters anyway
 
#9
Don't know about banning to be honest. But I'd certainly support making it obligatory for your face to be visible in certain locations. Airports, banks, social security offices etc.
 
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Biscuits_Brown said:
Don't know about banning to be honest. But I'd certainly support making it obligatory for your face to be visible in certain locations. Airports, banks, social security offices etc.
Hospitals, I refuse to be treated by someone whose face I can't see.
 
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No_Duff said:
Biscuits_Brown said:
Don't know about banning to be honest. But I'd certainly support making it obligatory for your face to be visible in certain locations. Airports, banks, social security offices etc.
Hospitals, I refuse to be treated by someone whose face I can't see.
That might be a problem in the operating theatre...

Tubs
 
#13
You could make quite a list of places/activities for which it could be banned: driving, operating certain machines, any place where hoodies or other facial coverings are already banned, whenever photo id is required, participating in court proceedings, certain medical practices, speech therapists, care of children still learning to speak (say under 3s), counsellors (unless client consents), public officials with a face to face role, any interactive role with the deaf who may lipread, any place where alcohol is served, and any uniformed job where voluntary items of religious apparel (such as crucifixes) are forbidden.

Unfortunately, those who wear the veil may be living quite restricted lives already, and so there may not be much effect.

[Edited owing to grammatical errors].
 
#14
Interesting that people who go on ad naseum about 'Neu Liarbour', 'Gordon Bruin' etc etc and - rightly - complain about the nanny state, change their tune when it comes to Muslims. I don't want to live in a society where the state tells people what they can and can't wear in their private lives. And, yes, that goes for 'BLIAR' t-shirts as well.
 
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No_Duff said:
Biscuits_Brown said:
Don't know about banning to be honest. But I'd certainly support making it obligatory for your face to be visible in certain locations. Airports, banks, social security offices etc.
Hospitals, I refuse to be treated by someone whose face I can't see.
Best to have a quiet word with the anaesthetist then. :)
 
#16
strawberrykettaz

You make a good point, but there are places where you can't wear a hood or a motorcycle helmet.

I've changed my tune a bit on this recently, I wouldn't like to see it banned, except for where it conflicts with existing dress codes.
 
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Biscuits_Brown said:
Don't know about banning to be honest. But I'd certainly support making it obligatory for your face to be visible in certain locations. Airports, banks, social security offices etc.
Agreed, do not ban the burqa as such, but ban all face coverings in certain locations and permit shops etc to ban face coverings if they wish.
 

Cutaway

LE
Kit Reviewer
#18
The Telegraph said:
Those Muslims who ignore the ban could face fines of £22 and a jail sentence of up to seven days unless they have written police permission to wear the garments.
Burqua licences ?
Now as soon as the politicos get a wind of that money-making scheme it'll definitely be in here, (though probably tax-deductible.)

However with a bit of luck it'll be as much of a rondfok to get as other licences, and hopefully cost about £50.- with a renewal of £40.- every five years or so. If the owner wants to change to a different colour (or a Gucci design :D ) it should be cost, oooh, let's say £26.-

To ensure these licenced items don't fall into the wrong hands when they're not in use they should be stored in a 'safe and secure' place approved by the police BEO/BLO (Burqua Enquiry Officer/Burqua Liason Officer.)

Further, the approved burquas should only be worn on Home Office approved ranges and not shown in public to avoid frightening people.

All the above will bring it into line with other legislation and therefore be free from accusations of discrimination.
Sound like a plan ?
;)
 

Cutaway

LE
Kit Reviewer
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The Telegraph said:
Denis Ducarme, a Belgian MP for the liberal Reformist Movement party that drafted the ban, predicted that legislation would receive full parliamentary backing on April 22.
Regardless of what you think of the idea, why is it nearly always those who claim to be liberal who instigate bans ?
Do these cnuts need a dictionary ?
 
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vampangua said:
Wearing the burqa/niqab seems superetogatory, and therefore analagous to those who wear optional symbols of other religions. There is UK precedent for limiting such attire (and non-religious attire too).
Is that meant to be supererogatory? If you wish to impress by the use of long words then they really shouldn't be misspelt. (If that was not your intention then of course I retract the suggestion.)

vampangua said:
You could make quite a list of places/activities for which it could be banned: driving or operating certain machines, any place where hoodies or other facial coverings are already banned, whenever photo id is required, participating in court proceedings, certain medical practices, speech therapists, care of children still learning to speak (say under 3s), counsellors (unless client consents), public officials with a face to face role, any interactive role with the deaf who may lipread, any place where alcohol is served, and any uniformed job where voluntary items of religious apparel (such as crucifixes are forbidden).

Unfortunately, those who wear the veil may be living quite restricted lives already, and so there may not be much effect,
Rather more important, your list does highlight the extent, actual or potential, of this problem. I accept that some - some - Muslim women will genuinely wish to wear the veil without coming under pressure to do so, but I feel that this admittedly substantial 'civil liberties' point is heavily outweighed by the demands of common sense and/or security in situations such as you describe. However, I expect Ottar will be along shortly to tell us that we're all wicked, stupid bigots from Rochdale. :D

BTW, what British limitations on "non-religious attire" did you have in mind? The skean-dhu, for example? (And yes, I'm aware of its alternative spellings.)

Finally, I note that the Telegraph article quoted by the OP is a month old, and that a parliamentary decision on the issue was due in April. Does anybody know the outcome of this?
 

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