Belgian MEP proposes EU Empire

#1
So a United States of Europe is not enough, a Belgian MEP has declared in the EU "Parliament" that Mr Hollande's ambitions for EU integration needed to go even further.

"Europe has no future unless we become a true federation - even an empire, in a good sense," he stated.

(BBC News - BBC Democracy Live - Hollande calls for eurozone 'government'

The Euro-fanatics seem determined to force the UK's hand I think
 
#2
Mmmmhhh I seem to remember the last Belgian empire, they had interesting incentive schemes like "work harder or we'll cut your fucking hands off," a measure which did much for productivity!

It's a shame that they can't even rule their own poxy country.
 
#3
Last couple of plans for a European Empire didn't end well at all though.

Except the Romans of course (what did they ever do for us?)
 
#4
Perhaps the Belgian should be listened to. After all Belgium has a reputation for a well organized and smoothly running parliament don't they??

Erm...oh wait...never mind
 
#5
Perhaps the Belgian should be listened to. After all Belgium has a reputation for a well organized and smoothly running parliament don't they??

Erm...oh wait...never mind
Actually you might have a point there, maybe we should follow the Belgian example and not bother having a government.

They showed that no government is actually required and the country kept ticking over fine.


What a good idea.
 
#6
Perhaps the Belgian should be listened to. After all Belgium has a reputation for a well organized and smoothly running parliament don't they??

Erm...oh wait...never mind
I think you're confusing "government" and "arms factory".
 
#7
Odd thing to say, Belgium its self is ready to split in two, both half's want a divorce.

You can only wonder at the sanity of these MEPs, I guess they live such separate lives from the rest of us they have no clue.
 
#8
Actually you might have a point there, maybe we should follow the Belgian example and not bother having a government.
They showed that no government is actually required and the country kept ticking over fine.
What a good idea.
But with no government there would be no one to raise taxes; there would be no one to invent new ways to regulate peoples lives, no one to.....

actually that sounds nice,
 
#9
Perhaps Europe after unification will need some living space. It could be a struggle but if we were one people we could be one empire but for that we need one leader.

One night it could become crystal clear.
 

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#10
Perhaps Europe after unification will need some living space. It could be a struggle but if we were one people we could be one empire but for that we need one leader.

One night it could become crystal clear.
That is actually a genuine concern - what if some charismatic leader appeared (with or without a moustache). With him/her in charge, the EU could become a truly evil thing, instead of a grey and annoying thing, that just sucks money and common sense out of people.
 

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That is actually a genuine concern - what if some charismatic leader appeared (with or without a moustache). With him/her in charge, the EU could become a truly evil thing, instead of a grey and annoying thing, that just sucks money and common sense out of people.
If you enshrine the concept of unelected individuals at the highest executive and legislative levels who have complete immunity from prosecution, as the EU constitution does, such an abuse is inevitable at some point.
 
#13
That is actually a genuine concern - what if some charismatic leader appeared (with or without a moustache). With him/her in charge, the EU could become a truly evil thing, instead of a grey and annoying thing, that just sucks money and common sense out of people.

It's a dream I still think the Sainted Tony has occasionally. With Peter Mandelson running the PR side of life like a modern Goebbels and Cherie as his Eva Braun.
 
#14
If you enshrine the concept of unelected individuals at the highest executive and legislative levels who have complete immunity from prosecution, as the EU constitution does, such an abuse is inevitable at some point.
... and there is already a massive "state" propaganda investment by the EU, as well as overt criticism of- and calls for controls on - the remaining unruly parts of the free press...
 
#15
That is actually a genuine concern - what if some charismatic leader appeared (with or without a moustache). With him/her in charge, the EU could become a truly evil thing, instead of a grey and annoying thing, that just sucks money and common sense out of people.
Well, there is that. But think of the improvement to the motorway network. And the trains would run on time.

Either that or we'd have a flexible rail timetable...
 
#16
If you enshrine the concept of unelected individuals at the highest executive and legislative levels who have complete immunity from prosecution, as the EU constitution does, such an abuse is inevitable at some point.
Have you seen the arrangements in place for the European stability Mechanism ESM ?
The ESM creates the legal basis for an EU dictatorship. If the treaty is ratified, the ESM will be able to draw from a pool of $700,000 billion euros to purchase sovereign bonds of struggling countries. But that’s just the beginning, because according to Article 10: “the Board of Governors may decide to change the authorized capital and amend Article 8 accordingly”. In other words, the fund’s managers are free to increase the amount of the fund whenever they like and the individual states are “irrevocably and unconditionally” required to provide the money.

How’s that for democracy?

But what if a country is either unable or unwilling to pay extra money to the ESM?

Well, then, under Article 27, (titled) “Legal Status, privileges and immunities”…”The ESM …shall have full legal capacity to …institute legal proceedings.” So, the ESM has the right to sue the countries for damages for failure to meet the terms of the contract.

On the other hand, neither the ESM nor any of its managers or staff can be sued regardless of the offense. They have complete immunity from action taken by executive, judicial, or legislative branches of government. The treaty essentially repeals all civil and criminal statutes for anyone connected to the fund. Take a look:

Article 27–The ESM, its property, funding and assets shall enjoy immunity from every form of judicial process.

Article 27 (again): The property, funding and assets of the ESM shall…be immune from search, requisition, confiscation, expropriation, or any other form of seizure, taking or foreclosure by executive, judicial, administrative or legislative action.

Article 30: Immunities of persons: 1–Governors, alternate governors, directors, alternate directors, the Manging Director and staff members shall be immune from legal process with respect to acts performed by them …and shall enjoy inviolability in respect to their official papers and documents.

No one working for the ESM can be held accountable for anything regardless of how egregious the crime may be. And all personal and official documentation can be withheld from public review. No transparency whatsoever, complete secrecy.

Naturally, bankers, politicians, and other elites are trying to rush this anti-democratic abomination through the ratification process before the public figures out what’s really in it. They’re promoting the ESM as an essential tool for dealing with potential crises in the future. But, don’t believe it. The fatcats are just setting up for another round of looting.

See the full video–ESM; Treaty of Debt; Stop it Now!
 
#17
A Golden Dawn awaits us all, but at least the beer and chocolates will be nice.
 
#18
It's a dream I still think the Sainted Tony has occasionally. With Peter Mandelson running the PR side of life like a modern Goebbels and Cherie as his Eva Braun.
As long as they end up the same way, I think I could bear that for a bit.
 
#19
What a bunch of Euro-Socialist hand wringing, obsequious erse-licking lackeys. Of course such as Monsieur Hollande want a form of Federated States of Europe, preferably of a Euro Socialist model. Many commentators have always stated this would happen, even when this has been denied for years. The fact that the European Parliament travels backwards and forwards between Brussels and Strasbourg every month. this is a typical example of the fiscal waste of this organisation. Strasbourg as the other location for the EU Parliament, is just a sop the the French, and is not really useful.

Perhaps if the EU becomes a 'Federated European States' of some description, the French will demand that Strasbourg is where "Evertyhting is at!", whilst the Germans will demand that Berlin or Bonn is where the EU Parliament should be. It all stinks as far as I am concerned, and those such as Mr Farage are right to keep bringing up the subject of EU waste and bullsh*te.

Such as Hollande, and the closet Euro Marxists, who parade themselves as Free Market Liberal Democrats, but are closet Euro Communists and Marxists. The proof in the pudding will be if a socialist President of France, plus their government can deliver on the 'promises'. The French electorate can be very ficle, and Mr Hollande and his Socialist supporters could be out on their ears in time. France seems to swing between socialism then back to a form of Gaulism.
 

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