Beijing warns of war with Taiwan

#1
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/3938617.stm

A senior Chinese official has warned that Beijing may attack Taiwan by 2008 if President Chen Shui-bian pursues his plans for constitutional change.
Mr Chen has insisted the planned amendments are only concerned with local issues, but Beijing suspects he has a pro-independence agenda.

Wang Zaixi, vice-minister of the State Council's Taiwan Affairs Office, said military action could not be ruled out.

The unusually forthright comments came as both sides staged annual war games.

China sees Taiwan as a renegade province which it has threatened to reunite by force if Taiwan declared independence.
8O
 
#5
Maybe I should ditch the Norsk Kurs and start a Chinese course.

No.24 Beef chow Mein Please! :)
 
#6
Now that would be a nasty one. All-out general war, Land, air and sea, with the potential of going nuclear. 8O

Time to re-examine my PAX policy, methinks.
 
#7
Several million pissed off Chinese..... a small island prepared to defend itself to the death.... an unstable North Korea next door.... India and Pakistan both armed to the teeth with Nukes with no-one watching them.... long-term territorial dispute bbetween India and China....... the US Fleets hoving into view..... a nervous Japan..... and a watchful Russia on China's Northern border...... anti-beiling agitation in Mongolia and the muslim provinces..... All the makings of a great old fashioned ding-dong....yeah, should be a tasty one.... lets hope Bliar isn't power then cos he'd be tempted to get involved.

Who needs the Middle East when you have all that???
 
#8
Or Taiwan could stop playing silly buggers and re-enter the fold a la Hong Kong?

Yes I know we only rented Hong Kong , but Bush43 already made noises earlier this year that Taiwan needs to smell the coffee.
 
#9
I'm starting to dig now, full OHP and everything.
 
#10
Big Kahoona said:
Several million pissed off Chinese..... a small island prepared to defend itself to the death.... an unstable North Korea next door.... India and Pakistan both armed to the teeth with Nukes with no-one watching them.... long-term territorial dispute bbetween India and China....... the US Fleets hoving into view..... a nervous Japan..... and a watchful Russia on China's Northern border...... anti-beiling agitation in Mongolia and the muslim provinces..... All the makings of a great old fashioned ding-dong....yeah, should be a tasty one.... lets hope Bliar isn't power then cos he'd be tempted to get involved.

Who needs the Middle East when you have all that???
Thank God we are part of a greater european co-prosperity sphere. That'll save us.
 
#12
Where are you, Tom Clancy, when we need you now to tell us in advance how it's all going to turn out?
 
#13
Big Kahoona said:
Several million pissed off Chinese..... a small island prepared to defend itself to the death.... an unstable North Korea next door.... India and Pakistan both armed to the teeth with Nukes with no-one watching them.... long-term territorial dispute bbetween India and China....... the US Fleets hoving into view..... a nervous Japan..... and a watchful Russia on China's Northern border...... anti-beiling agitation in Mongolia and the muslim provinces..... All the makings of a great old fashioned ding-dong....yeah, should be a tasty one....
Hmmm....Better stop off at K-Mart tonight and pick up a couple extra boxes of 12 gauge shells. Couple of rolls of duct tape wouldn't hurt, either.
 

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#14
PartTimePongo said:
Or Taiwan could stop playing silly buggers and re-enter the fold a la Hong Kong?

Yes I know we only rented Hong Kong , but Bush43 already made noises earlier this year that Taiwan needs to smell the coffee.
Take exception to this PTP.

The New Territories were on a ninety-nine year lease, but the Island of Hong Kong was given to the British people in perpetuity. Which means that the Con Govt were handing away something that didn't even belong to them. To us lesser mortals that's known as theft & handling stolen goods ! Not that the present junta wouldn't have done the same or worse.

OK, it would have been difficult for the Island to have made it on it's own, but the people living there are nothing if not adaptable, so the opportunity should have been available.

Right, I've vented my bit of spleen on that subject, so back to the thread......

Having spent no little time on Formosa, the whole place is organised for defence, so there'd be big time cas for any attacker. Not that makes the blindest bit of difference to the largest armed forces in the world, they've got BCRs aplenty !

But for the govt there having to 'wake up & smell the coffee' ? That's like saying there's a bigger, stronger neighbour that wants your country - wake up and give it to them......?
 
#15
The Chicom forces might hesitate to risk the level of casualties and particularly equipment losses an invasion would entail, even if the Spams didn't intervene big-time. The Chinese are nothing if not pragmatic. Without a guaranteed result, they probably wouldn't take the chance of having their military infrastructure depleted to that degree. They'd lose most of their navy and a lot of their first-line fighters and strike aircraft.
 
#16
Yeah the Chinese play the Long Game.... remember reading once, a French Journo asked the Chinese Foreign Minister years ago, what he though of the French Revolution, his answer: "Too early to say"
 
#18
jonwilly said:
War, bad for business.
Mind you would take pressure of INTERNAL disputes which I say Pieking has cumming.
jon
On the contrary, Jon, war's great for business. Just about every western country that manufactured military hardware made a fortune out of the Iran-Iraq conflict. It was a can't-lose situation. Kept the rags at each other's throats and the wampum rolling in. :lol:
 
#19
Have to agree with PartTimePongo. China is a very different country to what it was when Taiwan broke away, over 50 years ago. Besides, legally, most nations - and the UN - acknowledge the position of the Chinese government, that Taiwan is a province of China. Taiwan could do a lot worse than rejoining the fold, especially as China is likely to eclipse the US as the world superpower, within 20 years. The Taiwanese are economically powerful, but the Chinese economy is rocketing faster (who'd ya think makes all those £40 DVD players down at Tesco?).

As for Hong Kong, even The Handbag had to put her reservations to one side and accept the reality of the situation. China was going to take (back) Hong Kong regardless, so, better that we had some input over how it should be done than none at all.
 
#20
Taiwan's a different proposition than HK. It's got 290,000 men under arms and on a more-or-less constant war footing, plus 1.5m reserves. Its navy has more frigates than the RN and its air force has more combat aircraft(including 57 Mirage 2000)than the RAF. The Chicom forces lack amphibious capability, although they're building more as we speak. Storming the beaches 100 miles from the mainland would be no pushover and the casualties and equipment losses would be horrendous. Despite the size of the Chicom forces, Beijing also has to cover its borders with Russia, North Korea and Vietnam and keep a weather eye on Islamic militants in Xinjiang province to the west, plus garrison Tibet and have enough troops on the Indian frontier to deter New Delhi from grabbing back disputed territory in the Himalayas.
 
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