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#1
A video posted today on an Islamic militant web site appears to show a group affiliated with al-Qaida beheading an American in Iraq, saying the death was revenge for the prisoner-abuse scandal.

The video showed five men wearing headscarves and black ski masks, standing over a bound man in an orange jumpsuit who identified himself as an American from Philadelphia.

After reading a statement, the men were seen pulling the man to his side and cutting off his head with a large knife. They then held the head out before the camera.

http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=2910524

RIP
 
#3
What outrage that may have existed in the US over the MP's conduct in Abu Ghrad prison is out the window now.

Bad PR move on the part of AQ.
 

chimera

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#4
I wonder what our 'friend' Piers Morgan will have to say about it in his 'newspaper'???
 
#5
Nobody condoned the ill treatment of prisoners, but during the war when two Royal Engineers, afterwards when several RMPs were shown no mercy and finally todays event you can't help but think that you'd be better off topping the lot. They obviously class a mear beating as a sign of weakness and any compassion as a green light to take you for everything you've got.

Executions to retaliate against some ill treatment? What sympathy the west had with any 'ill treatment' has just evaporated. That's with normal people. The 'bleeding heart' lefties will of course spout all sorts of traitorous ribbish about us forcing them to do it, and I include Amesty in that bunch.
 
#6
Well said Planty - it's truly sickening how the bleeding heart liberals (and stinking, unprincipled, immoral Daily Mirror journalists) can be so bloody selective about what they complain about.

Personally, I'm all for dropping Piers Morgan and the Amnesty spokesperson from today's news into the market square of Old Basra with a big US flag tied around their necks. Let's see them moralise their way out of that.
 
#7
According to the BBC report, the captors had offered a prisoner exchange with the coalition authorities but they refused. I think it's the case now that the coalition are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

There is something disturbing about this trend. "war crimes" are just that "crimes". Even the Nazis attempted to hide the killing of 6 million to some degree. But not only are these acts not hidden, but staged specifically for the camera and then proudly disseminated to the world. Normally we would get photos of the aftermath, or eye witness accounts. Here we get the images from the criminals themselves, to be their audience of the slaughter.

it's going to get a hell of a lot worse before it gets better.
 
#8
Plant-Pilot said:
Nobody condoned the ill treatment of prisoners, but during the war when two Royal Engineers, afterwards when several RMPs were shown no mercy and finally todays event you can't help but think that you'd be better off topping the lot. They obviously class a mear beating as a sign of weakness and any compassion as a green light to take you for everything you've got.

Executions to retaliate against some ill treatment? What sympathy the west had with any 'ill treatment' has just evaporated. That's with normal people. The 'bleeding heart' lefties will of course spout all sorts of traitorous ribbish about us forcing them to do it, and I include Amesty in that bunch.
Topping the lot? Considering we are there of our own accord to liberate them, killing them would seem a little drastic to say the least. As for the sympathy being gone, i highly doubt it. I still feel the Americans acted ****, and that they shouldn't be surprised so many of there lads are being killed, they don't seem to treat other as they would like to be treated.

When this 'liberation' started we were all for it, even Joe public to a certain extent. We set out to save the Iraqis from a tyrant, and now on the whole people want to pack it in! They weren't worth it obviously, pity we only realised this after 53 brits had died and we destabilized a country even more. Top job we have done.
 
#9
Much talk of 'savagery' and 'barbarianism' on the various orbiting news providers this morning. While agreeing with the gist of much of the above, it's clear that the single thing which the Americans must not, repeat must not do is retaliate, for all of the very obvious reasons.
 
#10
I notice that Amnesty International has called for 'a full investigation'.

So that's all right then.

Perhaps The Mirror could take it on since they are so keen to 'expose shocking abuse'.
 
#11
You cannot condemn an entire nation for the actions of a few out of control lunatics who indulge in barbaric behaviour - now, I wonder who I'm talking about?

Don't be sucked into a knee jerk response which provides support for extreme violent action against anyone - the reason that petrol was thrown on the fire of resentment against the Coalition was because those Abu Ghraib American personnel have acted in a way that they will justify by saying they have responded to extreme acts of violence.....................and so it goes on and on, tit for tat, justifying ever more extreme acts of violence - in a country we were supposed to be liberating!!!

Extreme moral indignation is fine, but to act on it in a hasty, emotional and violent manner is both self-indulgent and ill-disciplined - precisely what the soldiers out there cannot afford to display.
 
#12
Spot on Prod.

We're in that strange area where western values are applied to eastern standards. That's not to condone whats happened (it sickens me) but there should be attempts to understand why they do what they do.

I believe they are an 'eye for an eye' culture and that they believe heavily in revenge. There should be no surprise therefore that they do this type of thing. The indignation they (as a race?) feel having women point at the genitals of a male and of the other acts committed at Abu Ghraib should not be underestimated.

All the clap trap spouted about hearts and minds, - but do we understand their culture enough to actually win them over?
 
#14
chiefwiggum said:
Looking at the Mirrors website, they appear to totally ignore this horrific event, what a surprise.
Actually, thats really no surprise at all. Piers will place all the blame on the coalition and none towards the perpetrators of this henious crime. Usual lefty shiite.

What gets me is everyone is trying to put Western standards to understand these Fundamentalists, don't! They don't think like we do, thier everyday beliefs are totally alien. Thye view the West as decadent.

This isn't racist crap, just truth. :?
 
#15
Generalquarters said:
Even the Nazis attempted to hide the killing of 6 million to some degree. But not only are these acts not hidden, . . .
Does anybody have a site where one can get a copy of the names of the proximate "6 million Jews" alleged to have been exterminated by Hitler? I have been looking for a list for about 20 years and nobody seems to have one . . .
The link in your posting doesn't exist/work...
The number is approximating based on the transportation and the census of the areas of transport origin.
The total number including gypsies, homosexuals, handicapped, communists and other amoral groups is felt to be nearer 10 million, but unlike religion none of these where included in census reports of the era.
As to your list, and the wish to know the 6 million names, the holocaust museum have a pretty good listing, but just in case you never get the chance to go and read it I’ll give a you a few names to begin.
Michael Zyzinski, Rachael Zyzinski, both aged 38 (a year older than I am now) Johan Zyzinski, aged 3 (the age my son is now) this is the only family names my mother remembered when she arrived on the kindertransport.
The number was never an issue, and in fact depersonalises the crime, if it was 600,000 would it be easier to believe?

Amnesty international won't have an opinion; this act would negate too much of the stuff they have in the offing.
After all they still have overheads to cover, the death of a member of the war mongering collaboration is neither hear nor there, in fact they might feel a need to side with the executioner, tell his traumatic life story, have him granted asylum, and treated to the best care available (if you're not British that is) on the NHS, given a three bedroom council house and every benefit known to man (and especially the men they seem to know!)

Average cost of keeping a pensioner a week in a nursing home in UK versus an inmate in a secure unit.
Anyone any idea?
Number of emergency housing places versus the number of British homeless people versus the number of non-British persons using the afore mentioned emergency housing places?
It’s not too difficult to see where the great British publics’ sympathies lie.

As to the American executed…
May the road rise to meet him.
 
#16
Dui-Lai is quite correct; the US seems to have a hard time believing that not everyone wants MacDonalds and Disney. They seem unable to see things from any viewpoint than their own, and it has led them into trouble before; vide Vietnam.

As has been said, it is now essential that we maintain an approach that is robust yet reasonable, and which sets us apart from the fundamentalist lunatics. Iraqis have had years of experience of being ruled by fear, whether by Saddam or armed militias.
 
#17
Having worked with the US, it is their arrogance that causes trouble. Their pure belief that their way is best and no other way is as good.

However, as henious as this crime is, I believe that the US, in the current climate in Iraq, should tread carefully. Widespread retaliation would ruin everything totally and destroy totally any hope of installing trust in the Iraqis.

Come on septics, lets not have an another Vietnam/Somalia :?
 
#18
BBC, WTF has asylum seekers and the holocaust got to do with this thread? Keep clarity, those of you who want to hang every grievance you have with every foreigner on this incident - this is about consequences of actions of Coalition Forces in Iraq.

I strongly suspect that guy would have been beheaded on the internet whether Abu Ghraib had happened or not - but we are not trying to win the hearts and minds of the extremists (farting against thunder, as my grandfather would have said) - but we are trying to win over the general populace (in which sea the terrorists swim, quoting another old b*stard).

If we respond to this beheading in anything other than a calm and measured many of our own soldiers will pay with their lives. That's how we take and keep the moral high ground, by behaving and acting with wisdom, not emotion.
 
#19
Just viewed the beheading video. Sad, very sad. But what can you say after the ragheads see pictures of their people been beaten and tortured. Reap what you sow. Just hope no British military are caught. This is an extremely slow and horrible death.
 
#20
I have just received a copy of the beheading of the American worker. It is a very horrible video clip proceeded by the usual blatherings from a spinless group of thugs who are happy too carry out these killings in the name of God or whatever but won't show their faces to the world.

I suggest that everyone who can watches the video to help remember why we need to stamp out these militants who want nothing more than death and destruction. How can they every want peace if this is the way that they conduct themselves.

If anyone wants the video clip, PM me with an e-mail address that can handle 5.3 Mb.
 

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