Be honest - how much weight could you drop from your bergen

#1
If you think about it right now, what extra cr@p do you carry in your webbing or bergen that you could drop? Even the odd ounce here and there - it all adds up...

Edited for stupidity.
 
#2
Swede,

Speak to your neighbours the Norwegians. Its Bergen. Capital B. After the town in Norway where they were originally designed, allegedly.
 
#3
Bergans of Norway

At Bergans, we are proud of our history. Ole F. Bergan invented the Bergans pack frame, and already in 1908 he had patented the frame carrying system. This is the same fundamental idea on which the construction of today’s modern backpacks is based..

SK
 
#4
The adjutant's answer highlights so many of the postings on this site. Smart Arse answers. Bergen , the town or man, is a PROPER NOUN. bergen as used to indicate a back pack is a NOUN and does not therefore carry a an initial capital letter.If one was carrying a Bergen on his back it would be one man or one town. The point is , "What would you drop from your bergen to reduce weight"
 
#5
Most of the crap in my bergan i have to carry .Its stuff in my webbing and smock which tends to end up being dumped in my bergan as I find its useless
What I dont understand is people whose belt kit weighs 30lb without ammo.
 
#6
We have lost the ability to be 'hardy' and be uncomfortable in the field. We carry far too much kit. Given our enemies by and large carry 2 x spare AK mags and a nan bread we ave little hope of effectively patrolling while we are dressed as robocop. I think some of the equipment budget should go into designing a decent load carrying vest that incoprates Body armour and fighing order into one. As per the USMC.
Apart from that: Share sleeping bags - 3 for every 4 pax.
 
#8
littoraldifficulty said:
We have lost the ability to be 'hardy' and be uncomfortable in the field. We carry far too much kit. Given our enemies by and large carry 2 x spare AK mags and a nan bread we ave little hope of effectively patrolling while we are dressed as robocop. I think some of the equipment budget should go into designing a decent load carrying vest that incoprates Body armour and fighing order into one. As per the USMC.
Apart from that: Share sleeping bags - 3 for every 4 pax.
Good point. The protection vs mobility vs firepower argument applies as much to infantry as to armour.
 
#9
littoraldifficulty said:
I think some of the equipment budget should go into designing a decent load carrying vest that incoprates Body armour and fighing order into one. As per the USMC.
At an equipment roadshow last year the staff said they were looking at that very thing
 
#10
Part_Timer said:
littoraldifficulty said:
I think some of the equipment budget should go into designing a decent load carrying vest that incoprates Body armour and fighing order into one. As per the USMC.
At an equipment roadshow last year the staff said they were looking at that very thing
Is that not what Osprey is?
 
#11
The_Swede said:
Part_Timer said:
littoraldifficulty said:
I think some of the equipment budget should go into designing a decent load carrying vest that incoprates Body armour and fighing order into one. As per the USMC.
At an equipment roadshow last year the staff said they were looking at that very thing
Is that not what Osprey is?
no osprey is a bird.

taxi for me.
 
#12
Agreed, I've spent the last 6 years getting my kit down to the lightest it can be; I've traded KFS for all-in-one 'spork'. I've purchased my own Softie sleeping bag. I traded my goretex bivvie for a much smaller and lighter variant. I managed to get back to having only three utility pouches on my webbing (which I still prefer to this Osprey gag).
I've managed to get my kit down to a small, manageable and light system.

Now I'm going on All Arms and it's back to issued G10-kit and a full kit list full of extra clothes, extra boots, trainers ('harbour shoes' apparently), knives, string - so much extra crap I've never needed. It's supposed to be so that everyone is on a level playing field apparently but if we were issued decent (small, light) kit then this wouldn't be a problem. We could also then perhaps manage all the batteries and new kit that is coming out (new NVG's, new Binos, batteries, chargers, etc for starters)

It's just a whinge though, I LOVE IT!
 
#14
You seem to be clued up on the Kit there nomadcelt but dont knock the
''Harbour'' shoes .Stops you having shagged feet because your boots
dont dry out . Ok they may not be in your daysac but always have a
pair of trainers on ex .Its makes good sense.
 

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#16
Interesting question. 'Big bergan disease' can be a real issue: you end up debilitated by carrying too much crap on your back, and lots of it never gets used. I seem to recall reading in 'About Face' that Hackworth banned his soldiers from carrying rucksacks whilst on patrol in Vietnam and made them take a kind of rolled up blanket roll instead.
 
#17
Every year you get more and more sh1te to carry. Surely I can't be the only one that remembers using "large" packs which had no room for anything except your doss bag, and your jumper if you really squeezed it in? In my grandpa's day it would have been just webbing + greatcoat I guess.
 
#18
clownbasher said:
Every year you get more and more sh1te to carry. Surely I can't be the only one that remembers using "large" packs which had no room for anything except your doss bag, and your jumper if you really squeezed it in? In my grandpa's day it would have been just webbing + greatcoat I guess.
Doss bag went on top of the 'large' pack, that's what all the funny strappy things were for.

I've got a few things in my bergan which are seldom, if ever used, but I can't ditch as they are required kit as per unit SOPs.

I remember one bloke who had so much crap in his bergan that he couldn't make a 2 km tab......knobber!
 
#19
My memory is fading (and I only had to endure it for a few months until we got the news stuff) but didn't you use those for the roll mat?

NBC in the poncho roll

Loads of sh1te in the kidney pouches

Poncho on top of pouches??
 
#20
I have seen a first class demonstration at Brize Norton's Parachute training school. showing why only the essentials are packed. Weapon,Ammo, for both section and SP weapons, Coms, water/food.
"Luxury items" such as doss bag, warm kit, Cortex ect are back loaded to keep the weight down to the min, dependant on the weight of the soldier jumping.
Basically the small bloke get the base plate as well as his own kit :D
 

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