BBC4 tonight (14 Jan)

#1
Sorry if this has been posted already, I did have a quick look.

"No plan, no peace". 'The inside story of Iraq's decent into chaos. How the US and GB govts invaded Iraq to bring peace and democracy to a country with no history of either.'

Could be interesting. I wonder what line they will take.
 
#3
Trouble is they did not invade Iraq for either of those reasons, but for oil and to try and gain a foothold in an area where they do not belong to start with.
 
#4
Strongly agree, well worth watching.
 
#5
KevinB said:
Trouble is they did not invade Iraq for either of those reasons, but for oil and to try and gain a foothold in an area where they do not belong to start with.
Thanks for your input Kev. Don't let the door hit you in the arrse on the way out.
 
#6
Ord_Sgt said:
KevinB said:
Trouble is they did not invade Iraq for either of those reasons, but for oil and to try and gain a foothold in an area where they do not belong to start with.
Thanks for your input Kev. Don't let the door hit you in the arrse on the way out.
Firstly, not all military and ex-military are for this war. Secondly, I am entitled to my opinion, but is not just my opinion. Read "Price of Loyalty" by Ron Suskind. Is about Paul O'Neill's description of why this US Admin really went to war - and wasn't for peace nor democracy. BTW, Mr. O'Neill served for two years the administration's treasury secretary and has the documentation to back up what he says.
 
#7
KevinB said:
Ord_Sgt said:
KevinB said:
Trouble is they did not invade Iraq for either of those reasons, but for oil and to try and gain a foothold in an area where they do not belong to start with.
Thanks for your input Kev. Don't let the door hit you in the arrse on the way out.
Firstly, not all military and ex-military are for this war. Secondly, I am entitled to my opinion, but is not just my opinion. Read "Price of Loyalty" by Ron Suskind. Is about Paul O'Neill's description of why this US Admin really went to war - and wasn't for peace nor democracy. BTW, Mr. O'Neill served for two years the administration's treasury secretary and has the documentation to back up what he says.
Like I said thanks, but just out of curiosity what are you doing about it? Your objections I mean. Reading books or........
 
#8
Ord_Sgt said:
KevinB said:
Ord_Sgt said:
KevinB said:
Trouble is they did not invade Iraq for either of those reasons, but for oil and to try and gain a foothold in an area where they do not belong to start with.
Thanks for your input Kev. Don't let the door hit you in the arrse on the way out.
Firstly, not all military and ex-military are for this war. Secondly, I am entitled to my opinion, but is not just my opinion. Read "Price of Loyalty" by Ron Suskind. Is about Paul O'Neill's description of why this US Admin really went to war - and wasn't for peace nor democracy. BTW, Mr. O'Neill served for two years the administration's treasury secretary and has the documentation to back up what he says.
Like I said thanks, but just out of curiosity what are you doing about it? Your objections I mean. Reading books or........
"Documents were being prepared by the Defence Intelligence Agency, Rumsfeld's intelligence arm, mapping Iraq's oil fields and exploration areas and listing companies that might be interested in leveraging the precious asset..." This is from page 96 and one small example.

As a non-US citizen, I am as politically active as I can be. But reading books provides knowledge that may not be available in the mainstream media.
 
#9
KevinB said:
Ord_Sgt said:
KevinB said:
Ord_Sgt said:
KevinB said:
Trouble is they did not invade Iraq for either of those reasons, but for oil and to try and gain a foothold in an area where they do not belong to start with.
Thanks for your input Kev. Don't let the door hit you in the arrse on the way out.
Firstly, not all military and ex-military are for this war. Secondly, I am entitled to my opinion, but is not just my opinion. Read "Price of Loyalty" by Ron Suskind. Is about Paul O'Neill's description of why this US Admin really went to war - and wasn't for peace nor democracy. BTW, Mr. O'Neill served for two years the administration's treasury secretary and has the documentation to back up what he says.
ZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz................................

Like I said thanks, but just out of curiosity what are you doing about it? Your objections I mean. Reading books or........
"Documents were being prepared by the Defence Intelligence Agency, Rumsfeld's intelligence arm, mapping Iraq's oil fields and exploration areas and listing companies that might be interested in leveraging the precious asset..." This is from page 96 and one small example.

As a non-US citizen, I am as politically active as I can be. But reading books provides knowledge that may not be available in the mainstream media.
 
#10
KevinB said:
Ord_Sgt said:
KevinB said:
Ord_Sgt said:
KevinB said:
Trouble is they did not invade Iraq for either of those reasons, but for oil and to try and gain a foothold in an area where they do not belong to start with.
Thanks for your input Kev. Don't let the door hit you in the arrse on the way out.
Firstly, not all military and ex-military are for this war. Secondly, I am entitled to my opinion, but is not just my opinion. Read "Price of Loyalty" by Ron Suskind. Is about Paul O'Neill's description of why this US Admin really went to war - and wasn't for peace nor democracy. BTW, Mr. O'Neill served for two years the administration's treasury secretary and has the documentation to back up what he says.
ZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ................................

Like I said thanks, but just out of curiosity what are you doing about it? Your objections I mean. Reading books or........
"Documents were being prepared by the Defence Intelligence Agency, Rumsfeld's intelligence arm, mapping Iraq's oil fields and exploration areas and listing companies that might be interested in leveraging the precious asset..." This is from page 96 and one small example.

As a non-US citizen, I am as politically active as I can be. But reading books provides knowledge that may not be available in the mainstream media.
 
#11
KevinB said:
Ord_Sgt said:
KevinB said:
Ord_Sgt said:
KevinB said:
Trouble is they did not invade Iraq for either of those reasons, but for oil and to try and gain a foothold in an area where they do not belong to start with.
Thanks for your input Kev. Don't let the door hit you in the arrse on the way out.
Firstly, not all military and ex-military are for this war. Secondly, I am entitled to my opinion, but is not just my opinion. Read "Price of Loyalty" by Ron Suskind. Is about Paul O'Neill's description of why this US Admin really went to war - and wasn't for peace nor democracy. BTW, Mr. O'Neill served for two years the administration's treasury secretary and has the documentation to back up what he says.
ZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ................................

Like I said thanks, but just out of curiosity what are you doing about it? Your objections I mean. Reading books or........
"Documents were being prepared by the Defence Intelligence Agency, Rumsfeld's intelligence arm, mapping Iraq's oil fields and exploration areas and listing companies that might be interested in leveraging the precious asset..." This is from page 96 and one small example.

As a non-US citizen, I am as politically active as I can be. But reading books provides knowledge that may not be available in the mainstream media.

Snooze..............
 
#12
Ord_Sgt said:
KevinB said:
Ord_Sgt said:
KevinB said:
Ord_Sgt said:
KevinB said:
Trouble is they did not invade Iraq for either of those reasons, but for oil and to try and gain a foothold in an area where they do not belong to start with.
Thanks for your input Kev. Don't let the door hit you in the arrse on the way out.
Firstly, not all military and ex-military are for this war. Secondly, I am entitled to my opinion, but is not just my opinion. Read "Price of Loyalty" by Ron Suskind. Is about Paul O'Neill's description of why this US Admin really went to war - and wasn't for peace nor democracy. BTW, Mr. O'Neill served for two years the administration's treasury secretary and has the documentation to back up what he says.
ZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ................................

Like I said thanks, but just out of curiosity what are you doing about it? Your objections I mean. Reading books or........
"Documents were being prepared by the Defence Intelligence Agency, Rumsfeld's intelligence arm, mapping Iraq's oil fields and exploration areas and listing companies that might be interested in leveraging the precious asset..." This is from page 96 and one small example.

As a non-US citizen, I am as politically active as I can be. But reading books provides knowledge that may not be available in the mainstream media.

Snooze..............
Is a good answer if you have no refutation, mate. :wink:
 

Goatman

ADC
Book Reviewer
#13
762baynet said:
Sorry if this has been posted already, I did have a quick look.

"No plan, no peace". 'The inside story of Iraq's decent into chaos. How the US and GB govts invaded Iraq to bring peace and democracy to a country with no history of either.'

Could be interesting. I wonder what line they will take.
Thanks for the heads-up....what time ( can't find it in the listings for today ?)

Only managed to catch the second part when it was shown on Beeb One a while back.


anyone who worked in theatre with a guy called Andy Bearpark might be interested to see what he has to say.....
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#14
KevinB said:
Ord_Sgt said:
KevinB said:
Ord_Sgt said:
KevinB said:
Ord_Sgt said:
KevinB said:
Trouble is they did not invade Iraq for either of those reasons, but for oil and to try and gain a foothold in an area where they do not belong to start with.
Thanks for your input Kev. Don't let the door hit you in the arrse on the way out.
Firstly, not all military and ex-military are for this war. Secondly, I am entitled to my opinion, but is not just my opinion. Read "Price of Loyalty" by Ron Suskind. Is about Paul O'Neill's description of why this US Admin really went to war - and wasn't for peace nor democracy. BTW, Mr. O'Neill served for two years the administration's treasury secretary and has the documentation to back up what he says.
ZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ................................

Like I said thanks, but just out of curiosity what are you doing about it? Your objections I mean. Reading books or........
"Documents were being prepared by the Defence Intelligence Agency, Rumsfeld's intelligence arm, mapping Iraq's oil fields and exploration areas and listing companies that might be interested in leveraging the precious asset..." This is from page 96 and one small example.

As a non-US citizen, I am as politically active as I can be. But reading books provides knowledge that may not be available in the mainstream media.

Snooze..............
Is a good answer if you have no refutation, mate. :wink:
Oooh big word, big word, I'm shot. :roll:
 
#15
Ord_Sgt said:
KevinB said:
Ord_Sgt said:
KevinB said:
Ord_Sgt said:
KevinB said:
Ord_Sgt said:
KevinB said:
Trouble is they did not invade Iraq for either of those reasons, but for oil and to try and gain a foothold in an area where they do not belong to start with.
Thanks for your input Kev. Don't let the door hit you in the arrse on the way out.
Firstly, not all military and ex-military are for this war. Secondly, I am entitled to my opinion, but is not just my opinion. Read "Price of Loyalty" by Ron Suskind. Is about Paul O'Neill's description of why this US Admin really went to war - and wasn't for peace nor democracy. BTW, Mr. O'Neill served for two years the administration's treasury secretary and has the documentation to back up what he says.
ZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ................................

Like I said thanks, but just out of curiosity what are you doing about it? Your objections I mean. Reading books or........
"Documents were being prepared by the Defence Intelligence Agency, Rumsfeld's intelligence arm, mapping Iraq's oil fields and exploration areas and listing companies that might be interested in leveraging the precious asset..." This is from page 96 and one small example.

As a non-US citizen, I am as politically active as I can be. But reading books provides knowledge that may not be available in the mainstream media.

Snooze..............
Is a good answer if you have no refutation, mate. :wink:
Oooh big word, big word, I'm shot. :roll:
Is always a dictionary, mate. Cheers.
 
#16
But Kev, have you actually got anything to say?
 
#18
KevinB said:
Ord_Sgt said:
But Kev, have you actually got anything to say?
If you don't think being lied to as to why young people are being sent to war is nothing to say, is your choice.
No then if your arguments are 5 years too late. :roll:
 
#19
Ord_Sgt said:
KevinB said:
Ord_Sgt said:
But Kev, have you actually got anything to say?
If you don't think being lied to as to why young people are being sent to war is nothing to say, is your choice.
No then if your arguments are 5 years too late. :roll:
The point of the show was, "No plan, no peace". 'The inside story of Iraq's descent into chaos. How the US and GB govts invaded Iraq to bring peace and democracy to a country with no history of either.'

My point was that was it was not for peace and democracy that US/UK went to war in Iraq.
 

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