BBC report Para Pay to be axed

the_boy_syrup

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#2
Following on from recent cuts to "Para Thread Bingo" when we had to remove Operational Jump & Suez it looks as though we'll have to remove Para Pay also

BBC News - Parachute Regiment soldiers face 'special payment' cut

Thousands of members of the Parachute Regiment could lose the right to special payments for their parachuting skills, under MoD cost-cutting plans.

The Army could cut the number of those fully trained to parachute in 16 Air Assault Brigade - who include cooks and quartermasters - lowering the number who qualify for the £180-a-month bonus.

At the moment, almost 5,000 parachute-trained members of the armed forces receive the special supplement of nearly £6 a day in recognition of the extra risks and skills involved in parachuting.
 

RP578

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#3
The report seems contradictory. It mentions the Parachute Regiment for the chop and then says the support arms in 16X are being targeted. I would hazard the latter is closer to the truth.
 
#4
Well, about time too. Without appearing to demean the Paras who are recognised as the elite of the British Army, they are being paid for a skill that is not being used at all. Such pay is, of course, relevant to members of SF and SFSG but not to frontline infantry. There is no cogent argument for maintaining this pay when we are cutting the nitty gritty such as allowances and accommodation.
 

RP578

LE
Book Reviewer
#5
Well, about time too. Without appearing to demean the Paras who are recognised as the elite of the British Army, they are being paid for a skill that is not being used at all. Such pay is, of course, relevant to members of SF and SFSG but not to frontline infantry. There is no cogent argument for maintaining this pay when we are cutting the nitty gritty such as allowances and accommodation.
Like I said, I don't think it's the Para Regt that will be hit:
In a statement the MoD said the review ... "In light of the SDSR, it is likely that the majority of Parachute Regiment soldiers will remain fully trained to parachute but the parachute requirement for 16 Air Assault Brigade as a whole will be reduced."
 

the_boy_syrup

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#7
The report seems contradictory. It mentions the Parachute Regiment for the chop and then says the support arms in 16X are being targeted. I would hazard the latter is closer to the truth.

I saw that and it seemed a bit confusing
If you've no need to be Para trained why would you have been sent on the course (and P Coy) in the first place?
I thought places were supposed to be limited as it was on the BPC?
I assume 2 Sqn Raf Reg and RM trained personell will lose theirs also
 
#9
Lets face it though not enough planes to parachuck from nowadays with all the cuts
 
#10
SP pay whether it’s Para, EOD, Flying, Diving etc is based on retention and recruiting, not extra pay for getting a qualification.

If there is no problem recruiting or retaining qualified people then the argument for its existence disappears.

Note - This not my opinion just the facts.
 
#11
I saw that and it seemed a bit confusing
If you've no need to be Para trained why would you have been sent on the course (and P Coy) in the first place?
I thought places were supposed to be limited as it was on the BPC?
I assume 2 Sqn Raf Reg and RM trained personell will lose theirs also

Para trained RM personnel don't get extra pay unless in a 16AA billet. Mountain Leaders (MLs) get ML-pay in line with considerable other skills that they maintain.

The report is very confusing indeed. It would appear that Para Reg won't lose this pay, only supporting arms. Slightly criminal really. Losing the pay doesn't devalue P Coy. It is still a required course for an elite unit.
 
#12
A clever move to enhance morale, bolster recruiting and assist with retention.

I never imagined that the general treatment of the Armed Forces meted out under the 'Blair-Brown-Balls Terror' could ever be worsened - I was wrong. The current crop of cretinous muppets, masquerading as a government, make the last lot of failures look positively benevolent!
 
#13
From the BBC Comments. I thought only the Monkeys had a red beret, the paras preferring a maroon one...

10. Keith Lamb
53 MINUTES AGO
I went through a hell of a lot of pain, suffering, and humiliation to gain that ‘Red Beret’, but the day I received it, was one the proudest day’s of my life. Young private soldiers don’t get much, please don’t take this away from them as well!!!
 
#14
As said before. The Report is using the grabbing headline The Paras. Its contradictory. The Para slots are being cut down yes and about time but towards the non essential Badge collectors who got loaded on a BPC just becuse thay could. A good thing I think. The Battalions will still get their guys on the course and much quicker as apposed to PTSU staff having to please all the other atts and dets who demand a place on the course just because they "had" a para pid.
The booties from 3 Cdo will lose a fair few places as well and yes they do get Para Pay. You have Arty and Engr atts who have or had Para pids as well as Recce. All recived Para pay under the pay warrant.
 
#15
Booties losing places on BPC? I think you're about to be a little surprised on that one. What this space for an increase in both Paras and Marines being required to complete a jumps course and a lot closer collaboration between the two.
 
#16
fablonbiffchit said:
..went through a lot of pain, suffering and humiliation to get the 'red beret'
Well our lads do go through a lot of pain, suffering and humiliation at Depot........ Oh no, hang on....they don't.
 
#18
This dit came out in January, and may have been overlooked by many.
DIB 2011/04 said:
Specialist Pay (Reserve Banding (RB)). Specialist Pay Reserve Banding (RB) is currently paid at 100% of Specialist Pay for the first 3 years, 75% in year 4, 50% in year 5 and 25% in year 6, after which Specialist Pay ceases to be paid.

• From 1 Apr 12, Specialist Pay RB will be reduced from the current 6-year system to a 3-year system where a rate of 100% of Specialist Pay is paid for the first 2 years and 50% in year 3.

• From 1 Apr 12, the Premature Voluntary Release (PVR) rate of Specialist Pay will be reduced from 50% to 0%.

• JSP 754 will be updated in Apr 11 to reflect this future change.

• Separately, all current forms of Specialist Pay will be reviewed during 2011.
I would hazard a guess that most of those now in receipt of para pay will find themselves on the 50% reserve band in two years, and losing it completely one year later.

Note also the warning about all SSP being reviewed this year.
 
#19
The report seems contradictory. It mentions the Parachute Regiment for the chop and then says the support arms in 16X are being targeted. I would hazard the latter is closer to the truth.
Reading between the lines it looks like they are saying they are limiting the number of Para Trained post in 16AA.
It may be that 9 Sqn , 216 etc may have only limited numbers to draw Para pay rather than how many they can get through P Coy
 
#20
Its a bit of confusion at present, so I would wait out to see what the formal MOD announcement is. It appears to me that support arms are the ones losing para pay, much like we should see pilots who dont fly, and submariners who dont go to sea lose their entitlement too.
I'd be surprised if the actual 3 Bns of Paras lose their pay, merely the various supporting bits of 16AA which are unlikely to ever jump (and if you look at the tac airlift plans, in about 5 years time we lose the ability to jump with 16AA in its entirety anyway once we move to roughly 20 hercules as our entire fleet).
 

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