BBC Programme : Battle of Britain - The True Story

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  1. Auld-Yin

    Auld-Yin LE Reviewer Book Reviewer Reviews Editor

    This programme, based on James Holland's excellent book of the Battle (reviewed here) is being shown on BBC on Wednesday. We were asked if we would preview the programme and write a review of it. Without giving too much away Pararegtom has done just that. So to whet your apetites:

     
  2. Thanks for the heads up. It's a must-watch. I wonder if they'll show my favourite Battle of Britain picture?

     
  3. It is only fitting that there is a programme on the battle this year
     
  4. Given current hysteria about a few excitable Muslims with beards, it's worth recalling that seventy years ago 175,000 heavily armed Germans, with supremely high morale - they'd just rolled over most of Europe - were massing in French ports 20 miles from Dover waiting to board the invasion barges once the RAF was knocked out. I think that makes the modern anti-Muslim crew, shivering behind their Daily Mails, making up lies about a "Muslim Caliphate" to deliciously frighten themselves, look a bit cowardly and un-patriotic. They should get a grip and remember what a real national emergency looked like.
     
  5. Auld-Yin

    Auld-Yin LE Reviewer Book Reviewer Reviews Editor

    Bump ...........
     
  6. Pararegtom

    Pararegtom LE Book Reviewer

    Auld-yin Why is it being shown in Scotland, at 2130 so you can get home from the pub, or the tinternet signal thingy is backword up there in the hills?
     
  7. Just to add some info to that amazing photograph. Brian Lane was killed a year after it was taken, shot down over the North Sea, 13th Dec 1942 but George Unwin survived the war, won a DSO flying in Malaya to go with his DFM and Bar and retired as a Wing Commander in 1961.

    He died from natural causes at the age of ninety three in 2006.

    The fortunes of war summed up in a single pic.
     
  8. Auld-Yin

    Auld-Yin LE Reviewer Book Reviewer Reviews Editor

    Cheeky Barsteward :) And you told me you were an immigrant Jock in London as well :eye:

    The real reason it is shown at a later time up here north of the Wall is that we are all good boys and are allowed to stay up later than the southern pooftahs :meditate:

    In all seriousness though, tonight is the night so either watch or set your recorders as it is touted as a great programme, showing the BoB from the German angle as well.
     

  9. and why is it never mentioned that when the Germans were building up their fleet of invasion barges the Bleinum (spelt wrong, sorry) light bomber crews would destroy them the very next day.

    then do it again the next day


    and the next


    and again etc.


    Over two thirds of these crews did not return. One of the major reasons that the germans did not cross the channel was because they COULDN'T at that time.


    Also there was Operation GREEN. An airborne invasion of north west Northern Ireland to occur the same time as sea borne forces landed along the south coast of England to cause confusion and split the Britsh forces and force us to fight on two fronts.


    Have a good look at the real OPERATION SEA LION, the planning was very good.
     
  10. The thing is they didnt hit the ports day after day, nor did they with Blenheims, which most at the time were on night defence, yes the bombers did but they also had other tasks, Operation Green was pie in the sky, and relied Totally on the RAF being destroyed. Sealion was a non starter, wasnt planned well, and relied on the RAF and Navy being destroyed.

    The German Paras would have caused havioc and confusion, i give you that. Their Army seeing what they were landing in, would have been in a slightly sea sick condition, and if they hadnt captured a port withing 48 hours would have withered.
     
  11. Different Blenheims, the Fighter Command ones were Mk.1Fs, which had been converted to fighters with the addition of a machine-gun pack and later AI radar. No.2 Group of Bomber Command were using Mk.IVs, mainly on day-bombing tasks. See the chapter in Max Hastings' Bomber Command on 82 Squadron, Norfolk, 1940. Whitleys, Hampdens and Wellingtons were also used in raids (mainly at night) on the so-called "Blackpool front".
     
  12. also check out 'FORGOTTEN VOICES OF BOMBER COMMAND' one of them describes going back to sink the barges time and again and the losses that they suffered.
     



  13. The planning was well done .... they just did not have the resourses in place to knock out the RAF and the NAVY at that time.

    Plus Major Adolf Galland who was commanding a Sqn of 109 fighters during the Battle of Britian (went on to command the post WW2 luftwaffe and had 142 CONFIRMED enemy planes shot down and also was adviser to the 1962 (62- 63 ish) film Battle of Britain) publiclly said that although the plan was sound there was no way that the German fighter force would defeat the RAf in the time allowed. Then when asked what would he need to achieve his objectives he replied:

    "Ein Gruppe Spitfire."
     
  14. During the War to Goering? Or post war in interviews?

    Anyway the spitfire was not so superior to the Bf109E that it would have given the Germans any advantage. We had radar and geography on our side. That's why we won. The Luftwaffe was designed for tactical close support of a continental land army, not for striking a long range strategic blow against another island nation from the air.
     
  15. walt, in his autobiography, Galland wrote that the quote was to Goering during one of his visits to the front. Goering had been tearing strips off his squadron commanders and decided to try and be nice. He had asked them what they needed. One of them replied that he wanted a more powerful Bf109 which Goering said was on the way, Galland said he wanted a squadron of Spitfires. Goering left in a huff. Galland explained that he didn't actually want a squadron of Spitfires only the advantages that they had such as fighting over home territory, more fuel etc.