BBC: Iraqi Shias protest in holy city

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  1. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6537861.stm

     
  2. And?

    Has anybody got a definitive list of Moslem Holy Cities?
     
  3. Najaf has been clearly mentioned in the article. It's a one of the main news today. Let's compare how it looks on different news sources.

    Let's look at AFP

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070409/ts_afp/iraq4yrs_070409102022;_ylt=AulsfO8qAbUX_Akd5zz3WqCQOrgF

    But according to AP

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070409/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq;_ylt=Al.HXABOP3ddeKczUd.e03Nw24cA

    If you read Daily Telegraph then you would know that

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=ETDPOFAKDVUV1QFIQMGSFFWAVCBQWIV0?xml=/news/2007/04/09/wiraq109.xml

    So we see 3 sorts of mass-media that use expressions

    - 'hundreds thousands' as AFP, BBC, EuroNews, Guardian.
    - 'tens thousands' as AP, Reuters, NY Times, Daily Mail.
    - 'thousands' as CNN, Telegraph, Independent, The Times, Washington Post.
     
  4. Does it matter how many there are? Better that they are protesting than attacking our troops? Or are they going down the olive branch and AK-47 route
     
  5. ...and does it matter that they ever have their opinion? It seems to me that for Washington it doesn't matter.

    Later or sooner Iraqis will realise that the promoters of 'true democracy' understand only AK-47 language.
     
  6. It is of course, all to the good that they CAN protest, under the previous regime they would have paid the ultimate price.
     
  7. Yes they CAN and their opinion (as in any Western democracy) CAN be ignored. It is an interesting point. What really has been changed in Iraq after 4 years?

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/08/AR2007040801058.html

    Btw, Telegraph slightly changed its estimates.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/04/10/wiraq10.xml

     
  8. Hmmmmm

    A Shia, commanded by Sadr, is wishing Saddam back in power. Sergey, don't You think that the bloke might be fibbing for political reasons? Does He really wish a return to the time when His master would not be able to have a public life, where He wouldn't be able to openly practice His version of Islam?
     
  9. Sven, do you really think that Shia version of Islam was banned under Saddam? Where have you read or heard it? Have you a source?
     
  10. Good thing they didn't try it in Nizhny Novgorod, St Petersburg or Moscow eh? They'd have been outnumbered by the OMON, or pro-government artificial Kremlin youth groups. Or banned outright.
     
  11. OldSnowy

    OldSnowy LE Moderator Book Reviewer


    Sergey -

    I am really astonished by this, and, for the first time, by your ignorance about this area. Sadr's Father, Grandfather, Uncles, etc., were all murdered by Saddam. Saddam was executed for the murder of Shias, not killing Kurds or assyrians. After Gulf War 1 the Shias were given a bloody good hiding by Sadddam, and he was responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of Shia. Celebration of Shia festivals was banned under pain of pain. The Shia Provinces were starved of investment and resources for years purely for being Shia.

    Look it up for yourself, it's not that difficult.
     
  12. OldSnowy, they were killed not because they wer Shia Muslims but because they were Saddam's political enemies. In countries like Iraq there exist a rule if you not kill then you would be killed (and it happened as we know).

    I noted and hope our friend Sven would agree with it that Saddam didn't ban Shia virsion of Islam. Moreover, there was some sort of religious tolerance. Tariq Aziz (a prominent figure in Saddam's government) was a Christian.

    Assyrians? First time I hear about any oppression of this people. Saddam's execution was a form of political revenge.

    Have you any source to back your statements? I would be glad to agree with you.

    There exist a rule. If anybody claims anything then it is up to him to find a proof (moreover it is not a difficult task from your point of view).
     
  13. Baghdad. It looked as a dead city.

    It is an excellent idea to organise pro-American your groups in Iraq. So called 'protesters' in Russia themselves were paid by well-known source.