BBC heavy tactics - Edmonds speaks out

#1
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7614330.stm

Dribbling fool he may have been whenever seen on the box, but he seems to have put his money where his mouth is with this, as non-payment of the BBC licence is a crime without equal in these opiate Neighbours/Big Brother House-obsessed times.

I'm not too sure whether he simply has a grudge against the BBC and thinks that this will injure the organisation somehow, or whether he actually has a very good point indeed. I tend towards a mix of both.
 
#2
Genuine question - is the BBC responsible for collecting the licence fee or locating and prosecuting dodgers? I always thought that would be some law enforcement mob.
 
#3
haven't paid my licence fee for 10 years now; they certainly did chase and I got threatening letters and they kept saying they had called but I was never in. I told them I didn't watch tv and they haven't contacted me for some time now...
 
#4
smartascarrots said:
Genuine question - is the BBC responsible for collecting the licence fee or locating and prosecuting dodgers? I always thought that would be some law enforcement mob.
It's a BBC responsibility but they now contract it out to CAPITA (the same mob who do the London Congestion Charge) for collection and enforcement.
 
#6
greg873 said:
smartascarrots said:
Genuine question - is the BBC responsible for collecting the licence fee or locating and prosecuting dodgers? I always thought that would be some law enforcement mob.
It's a BBC responsibility but they now contract it out to CAPITA (the same mob who do the London Congestion Charge) for collection and enforcement.
Collection and prosecution was the responsibility of the Post Office but not sure who it is now.
 
#7
Even though I have sympathy with the cause, my trouble is - the man's a knob. I haven't liked him since Swapshop was around. However, I recognise what he is going on about.

I live away during the week (student - v mature :D ) and don't have a tv in my flat. It's the only way I can assure myself of getting some work done! I got the phone call a couple of months back and had a face off with some damn bitch effectively calling me a liar simply because there wasn't a licence shown against my address. It ended after the threat of the TV van giving me a call, of some direct educational prose in return and the phone being put down.

I may have to get around my dislike of smily, slimy men with goatees here and get in line to vent off.....
 
#8
The TV Licence 'team' assume every property/household has a TV - and thus is liable to cough up for a Licence.

The TV Licence 'team' thus matches a database of all known properties with a database of all those licences issued and, hej presto, has a list of those who have not paid. Any property on database 1 who doesn't appear on database 2 receives an automatic computor generated red letter. This very often happens to new tenents/owners moving into a property and legally using the licence they obtained at their previous property.

It is an offence to have a TV and not a Licence.

It is an offence - or there is a deliberate set of words that imply it is an offence - to not inform the TV Licence 'team' that you have a TV licence and that their records are not up to date.

It is an offence - or there is a deliberate set of words that imply it is an offence - to not inform the TV Licence 'team' if you have no TV.

It is an additional offence to say you have no TV, when in fact you do.

Edmonds is an offence to humanity and a complete fcukwit. He claims the TV Licence is 'fabulous value for money' and that he is angry with the BBC for being heavy handed. Well, they're only going to get heavy handed with him now that he's decided not to pay for something that he considers good value. Fcukwit!
 
#9
Question. If I return to UK with my snazzy tele. If I rip the aerial socket out, and join the inner part of the co-ax to the outer, thus rendering the TV unable to pick up Tele signals....

Do I have to pay for a Licence I don´t need or particularly want?
 
#10
Is it a crime not to pay the licence?
Is it a crime that the BBC can mislead or deceive the consumer / its audience by faking winners of competitions by deliberately conducting competitions unfairly?
Now that they have been caught out and fined, does it mean they will increase licence fee's?

What a load of twots. :x Latest fine
 
#11
chocolate_frog said:
Question. If I return to UK with my snazzy tele. If I rip the aerial socket out, and join the inner part of the co-ax to the outer, thus rendering the TV unable to pick up Tele signals....

Do I have to pay for a Licence I don´t need?
You decide. From here: http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/information/index.jsp

You need a TV Licence to use any television receiving equipment such as a TV set, digital box, DVD or video recorder, PC, laptop or mobile phone to watch or record television programmes as they're being shown on TV.

If you use a digital box with a hi-fi system or another device that can only be used to produce sounds and can't display TV programmes, and you don't install or use any other TV receiving equipment, you don't need a TV Licence.
 
#12
whitecity said:
It is an offence to have a TV and not a Licence.

It is an offence - or there is a deliberate set of words that imply it is an offence - to not inform the TV Licence 'team' that you have a TV licence and that their records are not up to date.

It is an offence - or there is a deliberate set of words that imply it is an offence - to not inform the TV Licence 'team' if you have no TV.
Wrong, wrong and wrong, I am afraid.

There is no requirement to have a license if you watch pre-recorded TV, nor is there any legal requirement to inform anybody.

msr
 
#13
My drama is with the laptop.

Does this include overseas real time viewing?

How about UK (most likely pay as you go SKY) sports type programmes?

I assume it doesn't include Iplayer programmes as they aren't real time? But what about the live video link to a voice over on to a series of scorecards for test matches?

Anyone more educated than myself know the answers?
 
#14
in_the_cheapseats said:
My drama is with the laptop.

Does this include overseas real time viewing?

How about UK (most likely pay as you go SKY) sports type programmes?

I assume it doesn't include Iplayer programmes as they aren't real time? But what about the live video link to a voice over on to a series of scorecards for test matches?

Anyone more educated than myself know the answers?
The legislation is a long way behind technology, but the licensing fascists will try to stretch it as far as they can.

Basically, if you watch TV (even on a computer) in real time then you need a license.
 
#16
The BBC and the other broadcasters are more interested in distributing content - hence the abysmal iPlayer - than they are in making programming fit to watch. Which is why they are producing so little, repeating so much and even when they produce something, generally making cheap "celebrity" style cr@p.

Whilst I agree that Edmonds is a c0ck of the first order, he makes a valid point about the way that the insurance to congestion charge giant Capita is collecting money with menaces.

Not so many years ago I would have defended the BBC and the licence fee to the hilt, now I think it is a decaying and archaic leftover of bygone days, best scrapped.
 
#17
Fair play to the bearded twat. I for one am growing sick and tired of the threatening bollox trotted out by all of these agencies...DVLA-You move your car and we'll slot you...TV Licencing-We know where you live...Think!-You sped, you kill kiddies...etc etc. All noble sentiments, don't get me wrong, but it's how you couch them. As beardy says, in the old days they used to sell it on how good the service was, not how much shi* you would be in if you didn't cough. Piss off, come say it on my doorstep, but stop treating me like a criminal via the safe media of TV, radio and the papers, ffs. Oh fuc*, am I in a foul mood....
 
#18
msr said:
whitecity said:
It is an offence to have a TV and not a Licence.

It is an offence - or there is a deliberate set of words that imply it is an offence - to not inform the TV Licence 'team' that you have a TV licence and that their records are not up to date.

It is an offence - or there is a deliberate set of words that imply it is an offence - to not inform the TV Licence 'team' if you have no TV.
Wrong, wrong and wrong, I am afraid.

There is no requirement to have a license if you watch pre-recorded TV, nor is there any legal requirement to inform anybody.

msr
You are correct. My apologies for my shorthand. It is not illegal to posses a TV set per say. It is illegal to posses a TV set and watch live programmes.

However, a quick look through the official tvlicence website, and it is clear that the frontline inspectors assume that the mere presence of a box is guilt enough. Upon whose shoulders does the burden of proof fall, the licensing team to prove that your TV is for illegal purposes or for you to prove that your box is ONLY used for legal purposes?

I have personal experience of a run-in with said officials, and had great fun listening on the doorstep to all of their threats and demands about what they could do, would do, and planned to do. Finally, I relented to their 'pressure' and gleafully lead them through and empty property - save for camp bed, kettle and short-wave radio tuned to the World Service. I stood smiling as the looked bewildered at this ancient contraption carrying the exact same 'voice' as that being broadcast on BBC1 at that moment. :) :) Three days later my household goods arrived from overseas and out came the TV. :) :)
 
#19
chocolate_frog said:
Question. If I return to UK with my snazzy tele. If I rip the aerial socket out, and join the inner part of the co-ax to the outer, thus rendering the TV unable to pick up Tele signals....

Do I have to pay for a Licence I don´t need or particularly want?
No. My mate's got a fully functioning telly but no antenna. He only uses it to watch DVDs. BBC licence peeps have confirmed that he doesn't need a licence as he can't pick up broadcast TV.

Interestingly, I read that you DO need a licence for these new, fangled mobile phones and laptops that can pick up TV signals.
 
#20
Ancient_Mariner said:
Interestingly, I read that you DO need a licence for these new, fangled mobile phones and laptops that can pick up TV signals.
Only if you watch real time TV on them.

The burden of proof, despite Crapita's offensive mailshots, falls on them.

As per the British concept of innocent until proven guilty.

msr
 

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