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  1. anyone watching this documentary on BBC1?

    a regimental mess dinner in the middle of basra? christ almighty, it's like 'carry on up the khyber'
  2. I have attended many regimental dinners on operation, what’s the problem?
  3. Yep - I was very kindly invited to one held by the Senior Service whilst on Telic and a good night was had by all.
  4. I thought the regimental dinner invite was a great gesture to the Iraqi diginitaries, I think the chapie who arrived about an hour and a half late looked a bit nervous though.

    Loved the swimming pool idea!
  5. I was on the same telic as the RHA lot (even had to share a tent with the female producer of the documentary) and i'm gutted to find that there was a swimming pool! was definatly in the wrong camp :(
  6. ugly

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    The more I see of that unit the less confident I am in our effort. Wasters would have been beasted to death and back if that had been an infantry unit. I recieved disturbing confirmation of the improper use of RA personnel in Iraq via comments from a returning Inf compant (TA). "They got the RA lads to man the sangers as it freed up the part timers for patrolling. Soft skinned vehicles were useless hence RA were sat around waiting to escort people that wouldnt travel with them. The Army has always been head up arrsse about employing corps troops in Inf role. It doesnt work. They didnt jopin for it. If they wanted to be keen they would do someting in maroon or green not stagging on t VCPs and foot patrolling. There arent enough Infantry and never has or will be. If the MOD think they can get away with not having enough inf by employing RA for the job as otherwise would they be sat on arrssess in Kuwait or tidworth. Perhaps we need counterbattery fire for all the mortar and rocket attacks. Give the unners a proper job and let the Infantry do the Infantry's job with proper manning and resources.

    I'm sorry if this comes across as a rant against Gunners, it isnt meant to. I know one or two and whilst I wouldnt let them marry into the family they seem decent enough!
    Sodding politicians and yes men in the ministry!
  7. 3 things

    1. Never liked the idea of regt functions on tour, my first I was staying in Bessbrook and the officers mess had a do, thing was the mess was right next to the mens sleep qtrs, great thing about it was we had a BSM with balls that stormed in there and turned the music off :D

    2. The age old RA doing an Infanteers role, I am the first to shoot down any non infantry that claim th eBS that they can do the infantry role as well as the infantry as well as there own job. Thats just spin to get you through training. I HAVE down the infantry role and it is fecking hard work, a real opener I can tell you so I never tried that line on again. However is Peace Keeping an Infantry role s it is in Basra ? I haven't been so don't know but my 4 tours in NI (3 on the ground, 1 in slipper city) tell me that RA can perform to the same level of infantry in what is a infantry themed role. Swing the lamp time but I was in the first RA unit to deploy to Belfast, BTW that is NOT 2nd Field although they claim it, we were attached to the Green Howards, and took over from 2 Para. At the end of the tour we won commendations from the RUC and VERY begrudingly 7RIR (CO was not happy in RA types in his TAOR) because we suited the area better. Why ? Becuase we had much better people handling skills and after the first month contacts dropped to almost nothing, now this might be exagerated due to the, shall we say, "robust" nature of the average paratrooper

    3. Belive it or not you don't have to be a para or cdo to be green, you can actually be in a normal unit and do soldiering, or are you saying that all none para infanteers aren't into that soldiering thing ?

    To sum up, I agree that RA is not infantry and should thik it is, however IS role doesn't automatically require Inf. Yes there may seem an in ordinate amount of wasters in that programbut you must remember

    a) The Royal Regiment probably does get more wasters to the pound than an average Inf unit, however I have seen many fat bstds in the inf as well as para and RM units, its not just an RA disease

    b) Wasters are beasted I can assure you, but you ain't going to see that on prime time

    c) This is worst RHA, enuff said (cue flatty abuse from the donkey wollopers :wink:)
  8. Filming the army in Iraq had as many dramas as you get in the soaps - plus an added sense of danger
    live like a soldier to get the real story.

    by Cathy Loughran

    It's a story of love and war, survival and heartache, bravery and frailty. BBC One's Soldier, Husband, Daughter, Dad has got the lot, and the characters from First Regiment Royal Horse Artillery on Tuesday nights are as vivid and compelling as those of any soap.

    Except their brushes with death, broken relationships and daily hardships on peace-keeping duty in Basra are all too real - shared, hour by hour, from April to October 2004, with a BBC documentary team, embedded with the regiment during one of the most testing and sensitive periods in its history.

    That kind of access and co-operation took executive producer Neil Grant and senior producer Roger Courtiour two years to negotiate with the MoD. More unusual still is the freedom that series producer Michael Houldey and his team were granted to film the families back home in Wiltshire - waiting for news, but refusing to turn on the tv bulletins from Iraq. What Grant calls 'immersive' documentary filming entailed producer, directors, sound and cameramen living as the squaddies did, sharing water shortages, heat and stinking portaloos.

    Houldey and assistant producer Josh Good were shelled on their first night at the base. Director Kuldip Dhadda was based at Camp Cherokee, or 'Camp Death' as it's known because it's been mortared more than any other: 'We went out on night foot patrol with the regiment and heard AK47 gun shots. Only later did we find out they were shooting at us,' says Dhadda, who at just seven stone, found the substantial BBC-issue body armour hard to bear.

    Over months, she developed a friendship with Gunner *******, one of the series' key characters, sleeping in the same all-girls billet as **** and ten other women. 'We had girly chats at night. I even found myself confiding in the other women as they did in me. Our relationships with the soldiers were key to keeping access open.'

    Josh Good developed a similar rapport with charismatic Sergeant ***** **** , whose barked expletives under fire viewers have already witnessed. This week's episode shows the sergeant's other life, on leave back at barracks with his wife and daughter, in intimate sequences made possible only after months of trust-building by UK producer Stephanie Harvey.
    'Access alone doesn't guarantee you intimacy or moments of truth. That's about relationships and a person's confidence that they won't be betrayed by the film maker,' Houldey says.
    Coming episodes include explosive disciplinary hearings and the loss of two of the regiment's men in an ambush; a pen pal romance and a football match against the Iraqi police.

    Soldier, Father, Daughter, Dad, BBC One, Tuesdays
  9. Does anyone remember that documentary named Guns & Roses that was on the BBC a few years ago? Do you know where I can get a copy?
  10. I remember it but have never seen a copy of it that I can remember. First place to look would probably be the BBC to see if it's available.
  11. tried there, they don't keep copies, also got in touch with the library at sandhurst and they don't have a copy either.
  12. If it is available, I guess you'll have to go to the usual places of HMV, Virgin, Amazon etc.

    I never got to see much of it, was it good?
  13. It was good to see that Fidel is still a fat lazy git like he was at the Hotel in 2003. Only then it was his "farmers" that gave him grief.
  14. What I would like to know is where do they find chaps like Fidel?
  15. The translater we had slept all day, used to moan if he had to do any work and when it came to leaving the camp he would throw a mini tantrum.