BBC Bollox strike again!

OldSnowy

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#1
I know it's cheap to snipe at the BBC for being a group of left-wing ignorant pinko tree-huggung scum (and that's me being polite) but this story really shows their lack of actual 'reporting' ability. It concerns the bloke charged with killing four of his family. The quotes are directly from the BBC news site - link at the end.

"Killer kept pistol from Army days
By Julie Cush
BBC News, Newcastle

David Bradley killed his family with a pistol he kept from the Army
Former soldier David Bradley "assassinated" his family using a pistol he kept from his Army days.

The 41-year-old's eight-year career serving his country in the Gulf, Northern Ireland and Bosnia, was described as "exemplary".

Soldiers are allowed to keep some trophy items when they leave the Army, but are usually searched for weapons.

The Ministry of Defence (MoD) could not say whether Bradley was searched before he quit the Army in 1995
. "

Later on:

"The former Royal Artillery private claimed he had swapped a packet of cigarettes with a Bosnian for the 7.65mm CZ pistol complete with silencer."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tyne/6308827.stm

The Bold is mine - I have seldom seen such complete twaddle in a news report, even on the Beeb. A terribly sad story, which is used to denigrate and abuse the Army - just what the BBC is good at.

Now, anyone any good ideas as to how not to pay my licence-fee-poll-tax to these swine?
 
#2
OldSnowy said:
I know it's cheap to snipe at the BBC for being a group of left-wing ignorant pinko tree-huggung scum (and that's me being polite) but this story really shows their lack of actual 'reporting' ability. It concerns the bloke charged with killing four of his family. The quotes are directly from the BBC news site - link at the end.

"Killer kept pistol from Army days
By Julie Cush
BBC News, Newcastle

David Bradley killed his family with a pistol he kept from the Army
Former soldier David Bradley "assassinated" his family using a pistol he kept from his Army days.

The 41-year-old's eight-year career serving his country in the Gulf, Northern Ireland and Bosnia, was described as "exemplary".

Soldiers are allowed to keep some trophy items when they leave the Army, but are usually searched for weapons.

The Ministry of Defence (MoD) could not say whether Bradley was searched before he quit the Army in 1995
. "

Later on:

"The former Royal Artillery private claimed he had swapped a packet of cigarettes with a Bosnian for the 7.65mm CZ pistol complete with silencer."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tyne/6308827.stm

The Bold is mine - I have seldom seen such complete twaddle in a news report, even on the Beeb. A terribly sad story, which is used to denigrate and abuse the Army - just what the BBC is good at.

Now, anyone any good ideas as to how not to pay my licence-fee-poll-tax to these swine?
It's a terrible shame that he felt he had to get one in Bosnia. He could have got one in the UK from a local drug dealer. Failing that, if you are a drug dealer, you can pop over the Belgium and get one pretty cheap.

The point they are making is completely irrelevant (unless they are trying to say that all soldiers are a danger to civilians on their return from service). Only Bliar and the BBC are dangerous to civilians, and they haven't done any service.
 
#3
Just few days ago I read on BBC

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6289981.stm

Russia has completed a contract to sell some 30 air defence missile systems to Iran...The deal.. has angered the US and Israel who say Iran may use the missiles to attack its neighbours
I asked BBC (via complain service)

I suggest that Israeli or American officials haven't made such an absurd statement that anti-aircraft missiles can be used 'to attack' any country.
If I'm wrong then may I ask for a direct quote?

I received a e-mail from BBC:

Dear Mr P_______uk

Thank you for your e-mail regarding getting information on bbc.co.uk confirmed. As I am sure you can appreciate, BBC Information receives hundreds of thousands of requests each year for information about specific items in our programmes and on our website. We are able to provide answers to nearly all the enquiries we receive. Occasionally, however, the information requested is not available on our very comprehensive database. As the BBC is committed to ensuring that we derive the best possible value for money for all our Licence Fee payers we can no longer justify searching some of the individual enquiries we were previously able to handle. We regret that your request falls into this category and are sorry that we are unable to supply the information you requested on this occasion. We hope that you will understand the reasons why. May I take this opportunity to thank you again for taking time to contact the BBC.

Regards

Elaine Hunter
BBC Information
So OldSnowy, you can complain but likely would recieve something you have read.
 

ugly

LE
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#4
It cant be true, there are no guns on the streets, we have seen to that, look in to the spinning disc!!!!!
 
#5
OldSnowy said:
I know it's cheap to snipe at the BBC for being a group of left-wing ignorant pinko tree-huggung scum (and that's me being polite) but this story really shows their lack of actual 'reporting' ability. It concerns the bloke charged with killing four of his family. The quotes are directly from the BBC news site - link at the end.

Nah, i think the BBC is innocent on this charge, although guilty of being lefty pinko gay tree-huggers.

I think the BBC is reporting the court proceedings and the story originated with the defence barristers.

There was a case some years ago of an MP & TA officer who had made multiple fraudulent appliactions for BT shares. A search turned up some ammo and a court case followed. It was claimed that it was normal procedure for members of the TA to take ammo home with them and I believe he got off on the possession charges.

Has a verdict been delivered on this? The prosecution probably can't be arssed to argue the toss on where it came from when there's 4 counts of murder being considered.
 
#6
KGB_resident said:
Just few days ago I read on BBC

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6289981.stm

Russia has completed a contract to sell some 30 air defence missile systems to Iran...The deal.. has angered the US and Israel who say Iran may use the missiles to attack its neighbours
I agree the statement is politically charged and rather daft. However, I could introduce you to an aquaintance of mine who was part of the battery on Zrinska gora launching С-75 Двина missiles into the residential suburbs of Zagreb.

Never say never, Sergei!
 
#7
merkator said:
I could introduce you to an aquaintance of mine who was part of the battery on Zrinska gora launching С-75 Двина missiles into the residential suburbs of Zagreb.

Never say never, Sergei!
Merkator, I doubt that S-75 Dvina missiles were used this way.

http://www.vojska.net/eng/armed-forces/equipment/surface-to-air-missile/sa-2/

Service S-75: Belgrade regiment - former Yugoslavia had one regiment of S-75 'Dvina' received in 1962 and was used in defense of Belgrade, later mixed with S-125M 'Neva'.
S-75 Dvina is a very old anti-aicraft system. It was located in Belgrade and phisically can't be used against any targets in Croatia.

Service S-75M: Zagreb regiment - received in 1966 one regiment of S-75M 'Volhov' was used in Zagreb defense. HQ was Kerestinac, unit left Croatia on November 30th 1991 and left in direction of Northern Bosnia (Republic of Srpska)
There was S-75M regiment in Zagreb but it was namely S-75M 'Volhov' (not Dvina).
 
#8
OldSnowy said:
".

Soldiers are allowed to keep some trophy items when they leave the Army, but are usually searched for weapons.

Ehhhh new one on me I think they are more concerned checking your bed space/room for damages etc what uber pish from the Beeb :threaten:
 

elovabloke

ADC
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#9
Onetap said:
Has a verdict been delivered on this? The prosecution probably can't be arssed to argue the toss on where it came from when there's 4 counts of murder being considered.
He is being done for manslaughter, pleaded guilty and to get sentenced later.
 
#10
KGB_resident said:
Just few days ago I read on BBC

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6289981.stm

Russia has completed a contract to sell some 30 air defence missile systems to Iran...The deal.. has angered the US and Israel who say Iran may use the missiles to attack its neighbours
I asked BBC (via complain service)

I suggest that Israeli or American officials haven't made such an absurd statement that anti-aircraft missiles can be used 'to attack' any country.
If I'm wrong then may I ask for a direct quote?

I received a e-mail from BBC:

Dear Mr Poleshchuk

Thank you for your e-mail regarding getting information on bbc.co.uk confirmed. As I am sure you can appreciate, BBC Information receives hundreds of thousands of requests each year for information about specific items in our programmes and on our website. We are able to provide answers to nearly all the enquiries we receive. Occasionally, however, the information requested is not available on our very comprehensive database. As the BBC is committed to ensuring that we derive the best possible value for money for all our Licence Fee payers we can no longer justify searching some of the individual enquiries we were previously able to handle. We regret that your request falls into this category and are sorry that we are unable to supply the information you requested on this occasion. We hope that you will understand the reasons why. May I take this opportunity to thank you again for taking time to contact the BBC.

Regards

Elaine Hunter
BBC Information
So OldSnowy, you can complain but likely would recieve something you have read.
I take it you chose this bollox name for this reason:

Alexander Fedorovich Poleschuk (Russian: Александр Фёдорович Полещук, born October 30, 1953) is a Russian cosmonaut.

Born in Cheremkhovo, Irkutsk region, he graduated from the Moscow Aviation Institute in 1977 with a mechanical engineering diploma. He then joined RSC Energia as a test engineer, where he was occupied with perfecting repair and assembly techniques performed during space flights. He has extensive experience in test work under simulated weightlessness conditions. In February 1989 he was selected as a test cosmonaut candidate (1989 Cosmonaut Candidates Class, Group 14, Civil Specialists). From September 1989 to January 1991 he underwent the complete course of general space training and was qualified as a test cosmonaut, and then till March 1992 he undertook advanced training for the Soyuz-TM transport vehicle and Mir station flight.

In 1992 he was selected as the backup flight engineer of the Soyuz TM-15 joint Russian-French mission, and consequently nominated as the flight engineer of the prime crew of Soyuz TM-16. In space from January 24 to July 22, 1993, he participated in a 179-day space flight with Gennady Manakov. During the flight he performed two EVAs totaling 9 hours and 58 minutes. Also testing of the androgynous peripheral docking subassembly of the Kristall module was performed.

October 1994 to March 1995 he trained as back-up flight engineer for the Soyuz TM-21 transport vehicle and Mir Station 18th primary expedition flights.

Poleshchuk is married and has one daughter.
 
#11
To be fair the local (Newcastle) news reported the whole affair somehat differently. They pointed out that he had managed to smuggle a weapon back from the Balkans, that his defence had claimed PTSD and that he was a heavy user of both alcohol and cannabis.

Very sad that when he went to the Police he saw the 'No Smoking' sign and finished his tab before going inside and giving hmself up.

Clearly a very disturbed man, and the BBC had the wherewithall to say that he had been his way for many years, even before joining the army.
 
#12
KGB_resident said:
merkator said:
I could introduce you to an aquaintance of mine who was part of the battery on Zrinska gora launching С-75 Двина missiles into the residential suburbs of Zagreb.

Never say never, Sergei!
Merkator, I doubt that S-75 Dvina missiles were used this way.

http://www.vojska.net/eng/armed-forces/equipment/surface-to-air-missile/sa-2/

Service S-75: Belgrade regiment - former Yugoslavia had one regiment of S-75 'Dvina' received in 1962 and was used in defense of Belgrade, later mixed with S-125M 'Neva'.
S-75 Dvina is a very old anti-aicraft system. It was located in Belgrade and phisically can't be used against any targets in Croatia.

Service S-75M: Zagreb regiment - received in 1966 one regiment of S-75M 'Volhov' was used in Zagreb defense. HQ was Kerestinac, unit left Croatia on November 30th 1991 and left in direction of Northern Bosnia (Republic of Srpska)
There was S-75M regiment in Zagreb but it was namely S-75M 'Volhov' (not Dvina).
Thank you Sergei for demonstrating that you don't know anywhere near as much about the Yugoslav civil war as you may think - and that the croatian 'expert' Ivan Bajlo is no wiser either!

I'm perfectly aware that the 250. rbr PVO JNA/VJ had 4 divisions of С-75 Двина based around Belgrade from the mid-'60s up to mid '93 when they were withdrawn from VJ service (the 4 divisions had been re-equipped with С-125 Нева batteries withdrawn from Slovenia in '91). I'm also perfectly aware that 155. rp PVO JNA had 4 divisions of С-75М Волхов based around Zagreb until late-'91 when the JNA withdrew them out of Croatia.

The period I am talking about is late '94 and early '95 when the 4. rd / 44. rbr PVO SVK based near Samarica occasionally launched С-75 Двина into the Zagreb area in response to naughtiness on the part of the HV. Commander's name was Maj. Ma*****ic who I'm not aquainted with.

Also, at that time, the 155. rbr PVO VRS was operating 3 divisions of С-75М Волхов in and around Mount Kozara.

I also have pictures of С-75 Двина missiles with the normal warhead removed and 250kg iron bombs lashed to the front to improve their destructive effect against ground targets!!!!

And here's a picture of a П-15 Термит on a 'Двина' launcher - again used against ground targets ...


[If you don't see the picture, go here: http://image30.webshots.com/31/3/19/89/244231989qrPyYZ_ph.jpg]

As I said, Sergei, never say never!
 
#13
OldSnowy said:
"Former soldier David Bradley "assassinated" his family using a pistol he kept from his Army days."
Heard this on the news earlier too and struck me at the time how bizarre it was to keep bringing his former profession into it - you don't hear them say "former mangement consultant" or "former dinnerlady" in other cases. Only relevance I can see is the link between serving and his PTSD. Since this was being used in mitigation in court, fair enough to mention it. However, I only heard the beeb refer to PTSD once, in comparison to the several times they mentioned that he'd served.
 
#14
My sentiments exactly - apparently being an ex soldier who murdered his family is more relevant than an ex butcher doing the same thing (for example) - one more case of the great unwashed thinking that as a squaddie you're trained to kill with your bare fists - and as this guy was in the RA it's even more irrelevant - unless he shot them from 17 km away.
Besides which it would appear he stayed in until he was 26 and left as a Gunner - obviously a flyer!!!! :frustrated:
 
#15
I have no live rounds or empty cases in my posession sir, I do however have a big f**k off RPG, can I take it home and mount it on my wall? :frustrated:

F**king BBC
 
#16
And the fact that he was a v.heavy user of cannabis is hardly mentioned... :pissedoff:
 
#17
Just another on using AA missiles in the ground role, I recall as story from Bos in 93/94 of attempts to use SA-2s in the direct fire mode to punch holes in a chemical factory. The idea was to hole the chlorine tanks, and flood the valley - a sort of chemical attack by proxy. Didn't work thankfully
 
#18
merkator said:
KGB_resident said:
merkator said:
I could introduce you to an aquaintance of mine who was part of the battery on Zrinska gora launching С-75 Двина missiles into the residential suburbs of Zagreb.

Never say never, Sergei!
Merkator, I doubt that S-75 Dvina missiles were used this way.

http://www.vojska.net/eng/armed-forces/equipment/surface-to-air-missile/sa-2/

Service S-75: Belgrade regiment - former Yugoslavia had one regiment of S-75 'Dvina' received in 1962 and was used in defense of Belgrade, later mixed with S-125M 'Neva'.
S-75 Dvina is a very old anti-aicraft system. It was located in Belgrade and phisically can't be used against any targets in Croatia.

Service S-75M: Zagreb regiment - received in 1966 one regiment of S-75M 'Volhov' was used in Zagreb defense. HQ was Kerestinac, unit left Croatia on November 30th 1991 and left in direction of Northern Bosnia (Republic of Srpska)
There was S-75M regiment in Zagreb but it was namely S-75M 'Volhov' (not Dvina).
Thank you Sergei for demonstrating that you don't know anywhere near as much about the Yugoslav civil war as you may think - and that the croatian 'expert' Ivan Bajlo is no wiser either!

I'm perfectly aware that the 250. rbr PVO JNA/VJ had 4 divisions of С-75 Двина based around Belgrade from the mid-'60s up to mid '93 when they were withdrawn from VJ service (the 4 divisions had been re-equipped with С-125 Нева batteries withdrawn from Slovenia in '91). I'm also perfectly aware that 155. rp PVO JNA had 4 divisions of С-75М Волхов based around Zagreb until late-'91 when the JNA withdrew them out of Croatia.

The period I am talking about is late '94 and early '95 when the 4. rd / 44. rbr PVO SVK based near Samarica occasionally launched С-75 Двина into the Zagreb area in response to naughtiness on the part of the HV. Commander's name was Maj. Ma*****ic who I'm not aquainted with.

Also, at that time, the 155. rbr PVO VRS was operating 3 divisions of С-75М Волхов in and around Mount Kozara.

I also have pictures of С-75 Двина missiles with the normal warhead removed and 250kg iron bombs lashed to the front to improve their destructive effect against ground targets!!!!

And here's a picture of a П-15 Термит on a 'Двина' launcher - again used against ground targets ...


[If you don't see the picture, go here: http://image30.webshots.com/31/3/19/89/244231989qrPyYZ_ph.jpg]

As I said, Sergei, never say never!
Dear Merkator!

First of all I totally agree with this axiom - never say never. Even a brick can be used (in theory) to attack any country.

Indeed I know only basic facts about wars in former Yugoslavia. So according to your source S-75 Dvina launchers with missiles were transferred from Belgrade to Zagreb area to be used as ground-to-ground missiles. Indeed never say never. It is a remarkable operation. Btw NATO planes frequently bombed Serb's positions. It would be more reasonable to use the missiles against the planes. Maybe Serbs were stupid? What does the man you know say about it?
 
#19
hellfyyr said:
KGB_resident said:
Just few days ago I read on BBC

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6289981.stm

Russia has completed a contract to sell some 30 air defence missile systems to Iran...The deal.. has angered the US and Israel who say Iran may use the missiles to attack its neighbours
I asked BBC (via complain service)

I suggest that Israeli or American officials haven't made such an absurd statement that anti-aircraft missiles can be used 'to attack' any country.
If I'm wrong then may I ask for a direct quote?

I received a e-mail from BBC:

Dear Mr Poleshchuk

Thank you for your e-mail regarding getting information on bbc.co.uk confirmed. As I am sure you can appreciate, BBC Information receives hundreds of thousands of requests each year for information about specific items in our programmes and on our website. We are able to provide answers to nearly all the enquiries we receive. Occasionally, however, the information requested is not available on our very comprehensive database. As the BBC is committed to ensuring that we derive the best possible value for money for all our Licence Fee payers we can no longer justify searching some of the individual enquiries we were previously able to handle. We regret that your request falls into this category and are sorry that we are unable to supply the information you requested on this occasion. We hope that you will understand the reasons why. May I take this opportunity to thank you again for taking time to contact the BBC.

Regards

Elaine Hunter
BBC Information
So OldSnowy, you can complain but likely would recieve something you have read.
I take it you chose this bollox name for this reason:

Alexander Fedorovich Poleschuk (Russian: Александр Фёдорович Полещук, born October 30, 1953) is a Russian cosmonaut.

Born in Cheremkhovo, Irkutsk region, he graduated from the Moscow Aviation Institute in 1977 with a mechanical engineering diploma. He then joined RSC Energia as a test engineer, where he was occupied with perfecting repair and assembly techniques performed during space flights. He has extensive experience in test work under simulated weightlessness conditions. In February 1989 he was selected as a test cosmonaut candidate (1989 Cosmonaut Candidates Class, Group 14, Civil Specialists). From September 1989 to January 1991 he underwent the complete course of general space training and was qualified as a test cosmonaut, and then till March 1992 he undertook advanced training for the Soyuz-TM transport vehicle and Mir station flight.

In 1992 he was selected as the backup flight engineer of the Soyuz TM-15 joint Russian-French mission, and consequently nominated as the flight engineer of the prime crew of Soyuz TM-16. In space from January 24 to July 22, 1993, he participated in a 179-day space flight with Gennady Manakov. During the flight he performed two EVAs totaling 9 hours and 58 minutes. Also testing of the androgynous peripheral docking subassembly of the Kristall module was performed.

October 1994 to March 1995 he trained as back-up flight engineer for the Soyuz TM-21 transport vehicle and Mir Station 18th primary expedition flights.

Poleshchuk is married and has one daughter.
I surrender. :frustrated:

Sergey, Sergei, Serge originated from Latin word meaning 'a servant'.
Poleshchuk (Polischuk) in Ukrainian means Woodman, Forester.
Russia is a bear land.

So you may call me further Keith Gilroy Byron.
 

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