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BB will hits illigal downloaders from next April

#1
Was talking to a m8 of mine today who works in a PC Shop in Charminster Bournemouth.

He told me that the Government is planning a new system to be launched from next April which will be mandatory for all UK ISP's that will make a log of all users downloads recording downloads of Music and Movies and Games etc.

He was told this by some of his friends from Bournemouth University who know about and or have been beta testing the program.

Not that I download movies or music of course :) but I'm not too chuffed about it.

Typical NuLiarbur........allow £35K funding for Islamic Fundamentalist websites.......do nothing to stop kiddy porn.........But go big time after the lesser evils.
 
#8
It's been mantatory for ISPs to record all URIs you visit for some time now. The length of time has increased to 6 years.

However, as far as I know, it is not an offence to download copy righted matterial, only uploading is??

Any one here have a difinitive answere on the above?

Oh and bye the bye, Ez Computers sucks arrse, but they are in Winton/Mordown. Who is in Charminster :)
 
#10
jinxy said:
It's been mantatory for ISPs to record all URIs you visit for some time now. The length of time has increased to 6 years.

However, as far as I know, it is not an offence to download copy righted matterial, only uploading is??


Any one here have a difinitive answere on the above?

Oh and bye the bye, Ez Computers sucks arrse, but they are in Winton/Mordown. Who is in Charminster :)
Copyrights, Designs and Patents act and the Data Protection act. It's illegal to download it to.
 
#11
mcclurg said:
jinxy said:
It's been mantatory for ISPs to record all URIs you visit for some time now. The length of time has increased to 6 years.

However, as far as I know, it is not an offence to download copy righted matterial, only uploading is??


Any one here have a difinitive answere on the above?

Oh and bye the bye, Ez Computers sucks arrse, but they are in Winton/Mordown. Who is in Charminster :)
Copyrights, Designs and Patents act and the Data Protection act. It's illegal to download it to.
Any prosecutions ??
 
#12
Well an apology is due CheggersRE m8. I totally misread and misinterpreted your reply after the sprog was sarcastic and also ranted at you when I was angry at him, didn't read your reply properly and thought every one was on sarcastic mode.

Sorry mate and I hope you accept my apology.

rmgbem your a VV@nker by the way!
 
#13
Chill

The Copyright Designs and Patents Act 19898 (as amended by the Copyright and Related Rights Regulations 2002) does not make it an offence to download material from the internet for personal and private use, it makes it an offence to distribute, make available, sell, or communicate a copyrighted work to another without the authority of the original owner.

The list of exclusions is exhaustive, but there is no specific offence of downloading for personal and private use only.

Nobody has, to my certain knowledge, ever been busted for downloading in either the UK or the USA. Different story for uploading or sharing.

ISPs have been using bandwidth shaping for some time now, although usually in cases where there appears to have been excessive P2P usage. Virgin are now about to issue a "three strikes and you're out" policy, pandering to Geoff Taylor's BPI. Others are likely to follow suit, although the fragmented nature of torrents means that identification of a specific named file by the ISP is practically impossible.

Use of UTorrent is dangerous, it is now closed source and wholly owned by Bittorrent.inc (the company set up on the back of Bram Cohen's original site, and headed by Ashwin Navin who has openly done deals with the MPAA in the US).

Use of Emule is crazy and risky, don't even go there.

Newsgroups seem to be the way to go, as there is no sharing aspect, you only d/l. Usenet is fairly good if you can't hack the complexities/can't be arrsed.

Stream ripping is also OK, but quality is variable at best. Audacity is a good programme for that, so is iRadio. This is covered as an exemption under S70 of the CDPA.

Not that I know anything about the subject, of course :twisted:
 
#14
As has been said, it's uploading, not downloading that people have been done for.

This is mainly due to the "making a copy of something you already had" clause.

Now, lets say for instance you wanted to send a copy of a film / software etc to your mate who you knew also had a legal copy of the material but didn't want the hassle of being investigated for doing it, you may consider using a program like PeerGuardian2, also known as PG2.

This stops anti P2P ISP's from registering your IP addy as a "seeder".

Should only be used legally of course and I would never suggest that any of you that are thinking about using Torrent networks use PG2 to stop being caught for down / up loading illegal copies.

You also need to know that if you ever did break the law by downloading illegal copies, which I disagree with, that the second that you begin to "leach" (i.e. download), you are also "seeding" (i.e uploading) so you are breaking the law. Although PG2 would help to prevent you being caught, it is very naughty and wrong.
 
#15
Fukk Em All.

I, and no doubt millions of others have purchased many albums at least three or four times. Placcy Records, 8 track :oops: , cassette, and now CD, next up is mini disks and Blueray.

Since the cassette days a certain percentage of the cost of blanks goes to the artist, Cd's and recording CD's are the same. Add to that, blank VCR tapes, radio station fees, recording artist fees, royalty fees, and you soon realise these gits have been hosing us for decades.

Just because it is Illegal doesn't make the law RIGHT, liars, and bullshit artists have lobbied the government to bring these laws into place.
Entertainers they may be (and some are fcukin great to be honest) but they don't have a god given right to make zillions of dosh.

When Records and Cassettes were in vogue there was nothing to stop you taking your entire collection to your mates and letting him record the whole damn shebang. What is pishing the studios off is that they missed the feckin internet boat and instead whined about losing revenue from their retail outlets.

Don't even get me started on the whinging whiney fecked up dough heads that put out a few albums, buy themselves a 5 million quid home and then book into rehab.

Rant mode Off....

p.s. My wife won't let me watch the oscars coz I spoil it for her she say's....I don't know why. :evil:
 
#16
I'm no total expert on copyright law, however there are some basics that I do know.

1. It is not illegal to download material that has a copyright, everything you see on your screen is automatically downloaded to your computer/machine. By the very nature of the way computers work, you have made a copy of everything you have seen or heard when visiting websites. So on that basis, it would be stupid to add anything to a website if you did not want people to make copies.

2. It is not illegal in England and Wales (not sure about Scotland) to buy copyrighted material or even counterfeit goods. It is illegal to reproduce and or sell stolen copyrighted or counterfeit goods. However, the Police do not understand how the internet works, so the loop hole is that the average cop is a numpty on the subject.

3. You are responsible for everything that happens on your computer network. You are responsible even if a hacker breaks into your network and commits crime via your network. There is no out for this.

4. Some grey areas. The BBC as an example would claim they own their logo. However, their logo is a font which is sold under license to millions of computer owners... along with a great deal of the artwork on their website, it is merely a collection of words in a particular font. So by making slight changes to the content of any script that they publish (not real artwork or pictures) then they lose the right to call it their property... otherwise they would have to claim total rights over the fonts for which they only have a license to use.... although the complexities of a legal battle are not always worth the trouble.

5. ISP's keep records of IP ranges and URL's. They do not all keep records of all you see/download to your computer. They keep email and server logs... this does not mean they know what was in your email or what you saw when visiting a website. Everything you see online is recorded on your machine, the only way to destroy that is to destroy the machine.

6. If people want to commit crime online, there is little at this stage that the Gov can actually do, there are hundreds of loop holes. The most obvious ones are internet cafes, open/unprotected networks and travel to places such as Russia or China. At this stage, the Gov is a dog chasing its own tail. But that will NOT stop this bunch of Trotsky w@nkers coming up with as many new laws per day as they can and telling people we need to evolve with the times, and people don't know enough to see they are being bullshitted in the highest order. :x
 
#17
So what about the porn downoad sites like adultdelux ext,where users upload films & muic to Rapidshare/Megaupload/Sexuploader ect or others to download?The Gov gonna shut these down as well?
Cant see it happening imho,they cant even stop illigals & terrorists so what chance do they have against Joe Bloggs sitting in front of his PC downloading 24 series 2...
 
#18
There's a great deal of confusion in the media about copyright issues, largely brought about by the high profile American issues and the inability of news journalists (especially The Grauniad) to distinguish between British and American laws.

Peer Guardian is better than nothing, but it is by no means infallible. Bay TSP, one of the largest anti piracy outfits in the world, rotate their IP addresses every hour. Unless PG is updated hourly, it could offer a very false sense of security.

As people have pointed out, perfectly correctly, most (if not all) P2P clients (e.g. Azureus, Bit Comet, etc) are set to share by default. As the file comes in to your pc, it is also being redistributed to others. You could be deemed to be committing an offence, albeit only a civil one (tort). But a fine is still a fine.

FTP download (e.g. Rapidshare) is fairly safe, but it is very easy for your ISP to track usage.

Given that a significant number of torrent sites have hit the ground fairly recently (Torrentspy, gone, sued for $111m), Sumotorrent under threat, Pirate Bay awaiting criminal charges, Demonoid down more often than an Essex girl's grubby knickers, etc, etc) I think that newsgroups are the way to go.

There is a downside, newsgroups entail subscriptions (is £5 a month that much for peace of mind and improved transfer speeds?), they are difficult to get used to. But they are outside the scope of P2P, there is no sharing, no distribution by users, therefore they appear perfectly "safe" to us.

An alternative is to use a VPN such as that offered by Steganos, thus anonymising your IP address. But £15 a month isn't cheap.
 

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