Battles British VS French

#2
And your point is?


edited to add Marseille 15 June 1998

England fans 1 French fans 0
 
#4
Oh, how I could rip some of those claimed French victories apart.... if I felt like getting into a pissing contest with a cheese eater.

Fortunatley, I really can't be arsed.
 
#6
French revisionist crap.

Especially the comments for Waterloo, you can almost feel the authors rage that we had allies.

Best not mention those Polish lancers eh Crapaud?
 
#7
Its nonsense.

If Hastenbeck is a victory of the French over the British -rather than Hannoverians then they have missed out a lot more victories just from the 7 Years war.

Krefeld 1758
Warburg 1760
Vellinghausen 1761

... and these are just major battles with at least 20k men on each side.
 
#8
Classic! apparently we cowardly english silly persons are no good at kicking the crapaud, the japs didn't think we were any good and our tanks put a bloody poor show around Caen.

Where is Caen, by the way? Oh yes, in Normandy, which had been occupied by the huns for the previous four years, after defeating the courageous French...

Ask the japs in Burma what they thought of the British soldier, if you can find one that survived.

Revisionism: smells like bullshit, with added iron filings from all that axe grinding
 
#9
Is it me or are the majority of the Frog victories the little battles/ big skirmishes.
Plus the claim about most of our victories being combined with other countries ignores the fact that that we had a small army, (big fleet), but that the decisive action in those battles was (nearly?) always by British troops not the others. Some allied troops if I remember right were usually used as line fillers, while we were at the key points.

authors need to take their analysis further.
 
#10
Who won the last battle? That's the only one that counts.
 
#12
The surrender monkies good at war eh?
That will explain all those countries formed from the old frog empire then. USA, Canada, Aus, NZ South Africa etc.
 
#14
what about in 1940 when the navy sank most of the french fleet in Algeria after they refused to scuttle their ships. does that count as a battle or was that just for fun!
 
#15
Pteranadon said:
PartTimePongo said:
Who won the last battle? That's the only one that counts.
We did. 1815. I don't think we have fought John Francois since then.
we also battered them (the vichy frogs) in 1941 in syria i know this as my grandad was there his unit settled some scores for some frog unit bugging out during the defence of dunkirk and failing to inform the british battalion on there flank(my grandads one) and we also had a few dust ups in 1943 during the inasion of tunisia and the waffen ss had a couple of french divisions to
 
#16
If the amphibian types need reminding, there's always Agincourt, Crecy and also the fact that we owned most of France. If they want to count Hastings, they were 2nd generation Vikings (or Nor(se)men) not French.
 
#17
saintstone said:
If the amphibian types need reminding, there's always Agincourt, Crecy and also the fact that we owned most of France. If they want to count Hastings, they were 2nd generation Vikings (or Nor(se)men) not French.
Sorry, a lot of their army were in fact frog allies/mercs/vassals. We lost because we didn't wait to collect the full army, and overzealous/unlucky counterattacks which cost us the King's brothers. A fine run thing that we could have shaded.
However as pointed out in the return match we took most of France, and America, and Waterloo was not a Frog victory. As PTP says it's the last one that counts.

Apparently it all started as a misunderstanding when a French teacher said to his class, "Now hands up all who want to be soldiers".
 
#18
Pteranadon said:
Its nonsense.

If Hastenbeck is a victory of the French over the British -rather than Hannoverians then they have missed out a lot more victories just from the 7 Years war.

Krefeld 1758
Warburg 1760
Vellinghausen 1761

... and these are just major battles with at least 20k men on each side.
Got to agree with you there and its not the only French victory in the list that seems to have had no British troops in the opposition. I'll have to go through it in more detail.

I prefer my list which I posted some time ago although I accept some are a little tenuous (I hope the link works):

http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/viewtopic/t=53363.html

I have now added quite a few naval battles to try to reach my goal of something to celebrate every day of the year.
 
#19
If they want to count Hastings, they were 2nd generation Vikings (or Nor(se)men) not French. I wouldn't go down that road mate we, the British, are probably the most heterogenous nation on earth.
Remember the Vikings, Angles saxons and Jutes, Romans, and even the French.
 
#20
craftsmanx said:
If they want to count Hastings, they were 2nd generation Vikings (or Nor(se)men) not French. I wouldn't go down that road mate we, the British, are probably the most heterogenous nation on earth.
Remember the Vikings, Angles saxons and Jutes, Romans, and even the French.
In the centre were the Normans loyal to William the Barstard, on the left flank Bretons, on the right French, and on both extremes mercs.
definitely a French coalition that beat an English army.

A large, rested, fresh, reasonably well-fed, experienced army under one of the best military leaders in Europe, just narrowly beat an English army.

Beat an English army whose regular element had just completed three arduous forced marches that were epics of the kind. London to Tadcaster near York, 190 miles in 3 days, and back in the same time. Then London to Hastings.

An English army who, less then three weeks before, at Stamford Bridge had fought one of the hardest battles seen in The Isles, or in fact in Europe. Here, where they beat one of the foremost warriors of the day, Harald Hardrada, with one of the best armies in the world and almost wiped it out, but taking casualties that must have been heavy.

An army whose territorial element had been stood down to help with the harvest and then hastily recalled. Who arrived with deficiencies in men and kit, but with sky-high morale, - some things haven't changed.

An army whose king, one of the best military men the Islands have seen, but who was not at his best this day.

An army who came close to beating the invaders. Who if they had waited for the complete force would certainly have won.

This then is a famous French victory, but the honours belong to one of the best English armies to take the field in our history. And if one of the three royal brothers had escaped then the invaders could never have succeeded.

They can claim it, but we know they were lucky.
 

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