Battle of Waterloo

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#1
Took place on 18th June 1815.

And we won!

Leaving Europe free from the tyrannical federalising rule of an unelected despot.

Happy Anniversary. Perhaps today should be the new national holiday, showing us what Britishness WAS all about.
 
#2
Yes, and it was an Irishman (despite his denials) who sent the tyrant packing! After last week's two fingers to the Lisbon Treaty by voters in the Emerald Isle, is it too much to hope that history can repeat itself? 'Fraid so. Tomorrow, the President of the European Parliament, Hans-Gert Pöttering (less the umlaut, a good name for a Euro-waster), will "defend the principles" of this unloved document in, of course, Brussels, the now-grim city where the famous ball was perhaps the last demonstration of real style. In his determination to see it ratified, this earnest Prussian (rest uneasy, Blucher) seems to show as much disdain for democracy as old Boney himself, with no second Waterloo in sight. And 'Britishness' today? Wellington's spinning must be undermining St Paul's.
 
#3
French forces under the leadership of Joan of Arc crush the main English army under Sir John Fastolf at the Battle of Patay. This turns the tide of the Hundred Years' War.

Can't win em all, even vs the French
 
#4
armyboyfriend said:
French forces under the leadership of Joan of Arc crush the main English army under Sir John Fastolf at the Battle of Patay. This turns the tide of the Hundred Years' War.

Can't win em all, even vs the French
yessssss....but we later defeated her armies captured her and burnt her as a witch so yes we can win them all and as a matter of fact the hundred years war was a stalmate although actually an English victory particularly because of battles such as Agincourt, Crecy and numerous others which saw us turn the majority of the French nobility in to pin cushions before smashing there faces in with their own weapons. (I refer you to my post on Long bows Vs guns, I would link but cant be bothered, search for it has been covered extensively there). 8)
 
#5
armyboyfriend said:
French forces under the leadership of Joan of Arc crush the main English army under Sir John Fastolf at the Battle of Patay. This turns the tide of the Hundred Years' War.

Can't win em all, even vs the French
Only 'coz we wouldn't hit a woman :p
 
#6
Silent_Scope said:
armyboyfriend said:
French forces under the leadership of Joan of Arc crush the main English army under Sir John Fastolf at the Battle of Patay. This turns the tide of the Hundred Years' War.

Can't win em all, even vs the French
Only 'coz we wouldn't hit a woman :p
yes we did...then burnt her alive. It's what a civilised a gentlemanly fellow would do :twisted:
 
#7
armyboyfriend said:
French forces under the leadership of Joan of Arc crush the main English army under Sir John Fastolf at the Battle of Patay. This turns the tide of the Hundred Years' War.

Can't win em all, even vs the French
True, but on that occasion we were fighting, not just the French, but also le bon Dieu. Even the English can be excused such a defeat! :D
 
#8
Back to Waterloo, I think we were in fact bailed out by some sausage eating squareheads known as the Prussians. Multinational ops, contrary to popular belief, are not new. Funny that a mere generation later we were fighting with the French against the Russians.

I wonder if we will be forming up with Terry Taliban against the Chinese in 50 years?!?!
 
#9
Grumpole said:
Back to Waterloo, I think we were in fact bailed out by some sausage eating squareheads known as the Prussians. Multinational ops, contrary to popular belief, are not new. Funny that a mere generation later we were fighting with the French against the Russians.

I wonder if we will be forming up with Terry Taliban against the Chinese in 50 years?!?!
the prussians were late and divided from us (from what I have read were cracking soldiers though). We were also on the receiving end of Napoleons main force including a substantial number of cavalry and his Imperial guard who I am led to believe were very nasty chaps...but we slaughtered them anyway :D
 

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#10
fusil89 said:
as a matter of fact the hundred years war was a stalmate although actually an English victory

Complete and utter balls.

The Plantagenets were kicked out of the continent, all England's French possessions (except Calais) were lost and the Houes of Valois were confirmed as the French royal house. English monarchs also dropped all claim to the French throne.

Strange victories you English have, eh?
 
#11
"You English" god forbid a Frenchy is here...the shame of it. Yes we lost our French territories but common sense dictates that they were more trouble than they were worth. Any way decimating the French nobility in many MANY battles is victory enough particularly because the foolish aristocrats were slaughtered by a bunch of "peasants" with bows (a truely formiddable weapon) whilst your chaps were lumbering around in too much armour only to get knocked down and massacred. (I laugh heartily)
 

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#12
So you achieved none of your war aims at all and this was a victory? Odd. Insisting that 'they weren't worth the trouble anyway' is the reasoning of an adolescent.

Oh, and I'm not French.
 
#13
sixty: Thats not my point nor is it what I said. I am stating that although we lost those territories it did not cripple us (the trouble I refered to was constant war with France which was as I am sure you know very expensive)

OK then if your not a Frog then I will presume your an American (who loves the Idea of anyone "defeating England", most likely from the South which could also explain you connection with France) or I could still be completely wrong and ask you to reveal your nationality.
 
#14
Sixty said:
So you achieved none of your war aims at all and this was a victory? Odd. Insisting that 'they weren't worth the trouble anyway' is the reasoning of an adolescent.

Oh, and I'm not French.
But surely you are forgetting the overriding rule an aim of war which is to kill and destroy your enemy and we most certainly did that particularly the ruling class which also created disharmony in France that continued for centuries after due to the contest for land and power between nobles (another bonus for England)
 

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#15
No, old chap. I'm from that strange race of skirt wearing, porridge eating folk from north of the border (although we were on the side of the French for most of that period)

And it did virtually cripple you. The war and the conflict later known as The War of the Roses left the English crown almost bankrupt as you have alluded to.
 
#16
very true but the nobility and Royalty, Edward Longshanks in particular later but your ancestors to the sword and bought out your nobility so heh who won that then (despite what brave heart claims). Also alot of Scots were massacred during our battles on French soil (although their nobility didn't approve of their "barbarian" allies).

Anyway the Scots are with us now (yourself included) so let it be.
 

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fusil89 said:
very true but the nobility and Royalty, Edward Longshanks in particular later but your ancestors to the sword and bought out your nobility so heh who won that then (despite what brave heart claims). Also alot of Scots were massacred during our battles on French soil (although their nobility didn't approve of their "barbarian" allies).

Anyway the Scots are with us now (yourself included) so let it be.

Say again, all after 'very' your key setting is fcuked.

Bold: That would be us. English aim - to conquer Scotland. Result - Treaty of Northampton signed by Edward II recognising Scots independence in perpetuity and Robert de Brus as King.
 
#18
1746 Cullodun...say no more. We won the final. Scotland earlier became part of Great Britain in 1707 with the act of the union...I like it when a plan comes together. OK we were against Bonnie Prince Charlie but we battered lots of Highlanders in the process which was always a good idea.

Example of Scottish wisdom; coming across the border to raid England during the plague...clever :wink:

anyway we are very off topic this is supposed to be about Waterloo not Scotch indepedence from "English b*stards!"

edited because I got my years wrong.
 
#19
Hmm

I think i posted in a bit of a hurry earlier.

The relevance of my Battle of Patay post was that it is another battle 'on this day in.....' 1429 for this battle.

Wasn't particularly trying to compare them - just a fun coincidence
 
#20
fusil89 said:
1746 Cullodun...say no more. We won the final. Scotland later (much later) became part of Great Britain...I like it when a plan comes together. OK we were against Bonnie Prince Charlie but we battered lots of Highlanders in the process which was always a good idea.

Example of Scottish wisdom; coming across the border to raid England during the plague...clever

anyway we are very off topic this is supposed to be about Waterloo not Scotch indepedence from "English b*stards!"
That'll be the battle where the Government Forces defeated the Jacobite rebels. And we did win - Sixty is a Lowlander as am I - at the time in question we would both have been of the side of the Government forces.
 

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