Battle of Culloden

#1
This battle is key in our nations history. Is anyone else proud,as I am, that their Regiment was represented. If this sounds provocative to the loosing side then hey-ho. I cant change history. The Union (as it already was by then was threatened and we (the union) won).
 
#3
Hmm From the "Aye that'll be right" you will be north of the border. No doubt Bill Wallace was an aussie too eh?
 
#4
Bill Wallace was nothing to do with Culloden. (as in fact neither was the nation of scotland).

Culloden was the end of the second Jacobite uprising,

As the Boyne was the end of the first.

and the "Ahem" good friday agreement was the "ahem" end of the third.
 
#5
The "Bill Wallace" quip was an aside, more attuned to the good man's heritige and not a reference to the vintage of the battle. I merely believe that the Battle itself was a key moment in a nations development. Either that or we are saying that roughing up the Highland Scots was a sde show to the wider "defence of the empire" issue
 
#6
That and the fact we got sold by lords and gentry to the Sassenachs.
 
#7
davyskuller said:
That and the fact we got sold by lords and gentry to the Sassenachs.
Deal with it, the Lords and Gentry of the time were the masters, and the rest of us mere peons. English were sold to others, as were French, Spanish... you get the drift.

The rest of the world that this affected has moved on, well most of them, do the same.

It wasn´t England V Scots, so quit with the b0110ß
 

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#8
T.F.R said:
Bill Wallace was nothing to do with Culloden. (as in fact neither was the nation of scotland).

Culloden was the end of the second Jacobite uprising,

As the Boyne was the end of the first.
It's difficult to see the Boyne as the conclusion of an 'uprising' though given that the rightful King was defeated and the usurper won.
 
#9
Culloden (Drumossie Moor) was neither the start or finish of the Risings, it was just one of many battles.

It actually all started with the Civil War (commonly called the English Civil War, but encompassing all the now British nations), and ended with the "Clearances".

A Jacobite was a supporter of the King, at the time of coining, James VI of Scotland and James I of England, a "Great(er) Britain" was actually his idea (dream), "the other side", were the Government / Parliament, both sides had representation from all the constituent parts of the British Isles.

Most of the battles fought during the period were won by the Jacobites.

Much of the dislike of the Jacobites for the Government (note I say Government, NOT English) is down to the fact that they were regarded as the highest kind of traitors, because they commited "regicide", by the execution of Charles I, at the time the King of two seperate countries.

The perceived hatred of the English, is largely due to the fact that the Seat of Government was in London, and it was the Government that was disliked, and the English by association.

It is almost self perpetuating problem, because people continue to refer to things as "English" when they mean, "British" and occassionally "Scots", "Welsh" or "Irish".

And believe it or not the English seem to be the worst for doing this.
 
#10
chocolate_frog said:
davyskuller said:
That and the fact we got sold by lords and gentry to the Sassenachs.
Deal with it, the Lords and Gentry of the time were the masters, and the rest of us mere peons. English were sold to others, as were French, Spanish... you get the drift.

The rest of the world that this affected has moved on, well most of them, do the same.

It wasn´t England V Scots, so quit with the b0110ß
Seconded with gusto, there were quite a few thousand Scots in Red coats that day, In fact more than there were Englishmen.
 
#11
Not quite but still a singificant number

And you forget the lowlanders English and Irish in the Jacobite army

A good analysis can be found in Reids Like Hungry wolves
 
#12
John Prebble's "Culloden" is a good read and a great account of the campaign and the Jacobite campaign (and successes) in the lead-up to the battle.

It also points out that the vast majority of atrocities committed after the battle were carried out by fellow Scots...
 
#14
Aye, The Royals were on the winning side to the extent that the Bn 2IC got hate mail when the Bn arrived at Fort George in '91. There are long memories in the Highlands (as well as some posters here) :D
 
#15
K.OS.B were at Fort George in the late 70's we kept it gaun every weekend down the Doog,the locals "loved" us as well.
 
#16
All this......................and only 262 years late :D

Anyway have you been to Culloden lately?

It's a shithole.
 
#17
Old_Gregg said:
chocolate_frog said:
davyskuller said:
That and the fact we got sold by lords and gentry to the Sassenachs.
Deal with it, the Lords and Gentry of the time were the masters, and the rest of us mere peons. English were sold to others, as were French, Spanish... you get the drift.

The rest of the world that this affected has moved on, well most of them, do the same.

It wasn´t England V Scots, so quit with the b0110ß
Seconded with gusto, there were quite a few thousand Scots in Red coats that day, In fact more than there were Englishmen.
Correct many were Lowland Scots who supported the Union as well as Highland Scots that opposed the Jacobites for Clan reasons, it was essentially an extension of Clan warfare, there was also a Regular French Regiment as well as Irishmen in French service (La Regiment Irelandaise) in the Jacobite Army.

The Battle was a shambles for the Jacobites and the Royal Artillery out performed the Jacobites cannons, the Highlanders lacked discipline and charged through boggy grounds while being raked from the side and as at the front by Government Forces, the Soldiers were instructed to stab with their bayonet to their right into the exposed side of a Highlander who would be raising his right arm to slash with his sword, while relying on his Comrade to cover his left by stabbing to the right as well.

In the end it was superior Soldiery and discipline that won the day, the battle was very short and left 1,500- 2000 Jacobites killed while the Union Forces lost only 50 men, what happened after was just as devastating with the dessolution of the Clan system and a way of life, the Highlands used to be full of People, many were cleared and turfed out of their homes and Crofts, most left for America and Canada, the empty landscape of the Highlands is a consequence of that.

Consider that when you next survey the landscapes and imagine it full of people farming and living ias they have done for hundreds of years.
 
#18
I happen to hail from there and can assure you it is a lot better than most central belt areas.
 
#19
Went to the site in the Summer, fantastic new visitors complex. Explained it so well and the context of the battle in froming British history of the time. Also very moved as my clan has its own mass grave site. The tour of the battle took just over 50 mins, at the end, the tour guide said that this was also the total length of the battle from first shot to the end. It must have been terrifying. So proud as both my daughters laid a thistle flower on the graves.
 
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