Battle erupts at Russian school!

#1
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3624024.stm

Sounds like the softly softly approach has been abandoned!

Battle erupts at Russian school


Very young children were among those released on Thursday
Heavy gunfire and explosions have been heard at the school in North Ossetia, where hundreds of children and adults are being held hostage.
It is not clear what caused the gunfire to begin, says the BBC's Sarah Rainsford at the scene. A group of between 30 and 70 hostages have escaped from the building. Some were children covered in blood.

Helicopters could also be seen to be hovering overhead and there are troops everywhere, our correspondent says.

Parts of the school are reported to have been blown up, she added, and a section of the roof is also said to have collapsed.

People could be seen running from the building - some of them semi-naked - as a thick pall of black smoke hovered overhead.

There is pandemonium in the streets surrounding the school, says the BBC's Damian Grammaticas, who is also at the scene.

He said he had seen at least six casualties including two boys, one of whom was burnt.

The armed group which is holding the hostages were earlier reported to have demanded independence for neighbouring Chechnya.

On Thursday, 26 women and young children were released, and some of them provided the first details of conditions inside the school.

"You know there are not 300 people in there, but altogether 1,500. People are lying on top of each other," 27-year-old teacher Zalina Dzandarova told the Kommersant newspaper.

RECENT DEADLY ATTACKS
31 Aug 2004 - Suicide bomb kills 10 at north Moscow train station
24 Aug 2004 - Two planes crash after leaving same Moscow airport, killing 89
May 2004 - Chechen president killed in blast at stadium in Grozny
Feb 2004 - Bomb attack kills at least 39 people on Moscow underground
Dec 2003 - Female suicide bomber kills five near Moscow's Red Square

"They took some of the injured out of the gym and finished them off right there in the corridor," she said.

Officials put the number of hostages at 354 before Thursday's release, although the school has more than 1,000 pupils.

The hostage takers still refused to allow food, water and medicine into the building.

Trip wires are believed to have been laid around the school, with the attackers threatening to blow it up if it is stormed by police.

Correspondents say sporadic explosions and gunfire continue to be heard near the school in the town of Beslan.

Hundreds of relatives of those being held inside the school are waiting anxiously outside the security cordon.


Click here to see where the hostages are being held
One man who has been helping to conduct negotiations, prominent paediatrician Lev Roshal, called this first hostage release a major victory.


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But Mr Roshal, who helped to negotiate the release of children during the siege of a Moscow theatre in 2002, warned it was still a drop in the ocean, and that a huge amount of work remained to be done.

"The situation is serious. We have come up against very cruel people," he is quoted as saying by Reuters news agency.

Officials said the release of the 26 people came after mediation efforts by the former President of the neighbouring region of Ingushetia, Ruslan Aushev.

First school day


The attackers - both men and women, some wearing bomb belts - struck on Wednesday, the first day of the new school year in Russia.

Many parents and other relatives were inside the school, helping their children celebrate the new year, when the assault began.

The authorities say at least 12 people, including one attacker, have been killed since the building was seized.

President Vladimir Putin said on Thursday that everything would be done to save the lives of the hostages.

In his first public comments on the crisis, more than 24 hours after it began, President Putin said: "Our main task is, of course, to save the lives and health of those who became hostages.

"All actions of our forces working on the hostages' release will be devoted and be subject to this task exclusively."

The school crisis came a day after a suspected suicide bombing in Moscow killed 10 people. Last week, the mid-air explosions of two passenger planes left 89 dead.
 
#3
It was always going to be a bloodbath.

The Russian Special Forces are not all that special :(

msr
 
#4
The Russian Special Forces are not all that special
I saw a picture that made me laugh in the Paper today; Russian soldier in 99p shop DPM jacket with an AK fitted with a scope, the caption said "Sharpshooter - a Russian sniper takes aim at the scene of the siege"

I don't think I like the idea of some crazy Ivan with an AK claiming to be an accurate sniper.
 
#6
Initial casualty figures don't seem too bad if you belive the figures given of in excess of 1000 hostages, 200 injured and 10 dead so far.

It does look like their "SF" let a load of the terrorists get away though, so there may be a continuation of the hostage situation.

Afer watching those poor fcuking kids legging it out of there in their underwear, I for one wouldn't shed a tear if Putin decided to nuke chechnya back into a primordial state.
 
#7
Yeah mate, hilarious.
Well, when I say laugh I didn't mean in a "funny ha ha" way, I meant more of a nervous "Oh fück, this is going to go badly wrong" sort of way.

What kind of sick fücker do you think I am?
 
#8
5_mile_sniper said:
The Russian Special Forces are not all that special
I saw a picture that made me laugh in the Paper today; Russian soldier in 99p shop DPM jacket with an AK fitted with a scope, the caption said "Sharpshooter - a Russian sniper takes aim at the scene of the siege"

I don't think I like the idea of some crazy Ivan with an AK claiming to be an accurate sniper.
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#10
its live on ITV right now

kill all the hostage taking barstards slowly, painfully and alone
 
#11
Have heard a report that the Russian Forces had to "save" one of the terrs (female) from the crowd of parents as she was being loaded into an ambulance. A situation in which they may possibly have stood to be less efficient IMHO.

Also reports that there are circa 100 corpses in the burned out gym.

Two thoughts strike me at this point. Given the 24 hour global nature of the coverage of this event, will it encourage others to see schools as "high publicity" targets? And, at this point would anyone inside Russia complain if Putin followed Auntie Stella's recommended course of action?
 
#12
F*kcing BBC!

they've got some Doris called Dr Sally from a coy called "NewRisk Ltd" being there expert commentary :!: :!:

Anyone heard of her or this bloody company. God forbid they get a russian or anti-terrorist expert on, just might give a opinion not in line with their liberal views (lets all sit around a table, think good thoughts and all the big bad people will go away).

ITV, much better coverage
 
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#13
Aunty Stella said:
After watching those poor fcuking kids legging it out of there in their underwear, I for one wouldn't shed a tear if Putin decided to nuke chechnya back into a primordial state.
Yes. You can kind of see the logic of terrorist groups who launch attacks on security/occupation forces but this kind of thing is an obscenity. It seems to me an impossibility that a terrorist group which bases its strategy on committing atrocities against children could ever adapt to being a legitimate or democratic government, even if they were ultimately successful in getting the Russians to leave. It's like the 9/11 attacks: the people who committed them are so far beyond reason that they should just be hunted down and eradicated like rabid dogs.
 

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#14
I was surprised to hear that chechnyens live all over Russia (e.g. like the Irish live all over the UK) and it is of course just the barmy cnuts who think their two rocks are better than anyone elses two rocks that don't want to give anything up. the reason is that Stalin had them shifted them all out of chechnya and had them dispersed all over the Russia, they were - as a group - very 'anti-soviet, anti-Russia'.

I suspect Russia is in for the long haul on this one but isn't it a constant training grounds made the British Army what it is... And on top of that - a constant threat means Russia wants a strong leader and strong leader in Russia in spelt Vladimir Vladimirovitch Putin and that is all he needs to keep winning elections and nicking oil companies for his KGB mates?

100 dead now.

I however can't help but feel turning it, like afghanistan into a glowing wasteground would probably be doing most of the rest of the world a favour. And you'd get 8 legged cats... cool!
 
#15
Yes. You can kind of see the logic of terrorist groups who launch attacks on security/occupation forces but this kind of thing is an obscenity
Actually, from the terrs. point of view attacking a school is infinitely preferable. Quite aside from the rather obvious lack of people to shoot back, attacking a military unit gets you five minutes on the national news. Taking over a school has you on every network in the world for as long as it lasts and some time afterwards.

Frankly, I'm surprised that this is the first instance of such an attack. If it does start a fashion trend in the terrorist world, we are all in for the long haul.
 
#16
Cacman, that's the blighter.

Just seen some of the pictures of the kids being carried out of the destruction on the Beeb website. No matter what your beliefs are or how much you believe you have wronged, when you involve kids you are crossing a line that should not be crossed. If these cünts think that this is going to get world opinion on their side they had better think again.

Now how about Auntie's idea involving break-away russian republics and buckets of instant sunshine. :evil:
 

Mr Happy

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#17
I don't know for sure, not my specialist subject, but don't muslims belivee that killing children (>14) is a crime because they can't get to paradise yet and anyone under 14 even if christian, jew etc should not be killed because there is still time to convert them.

Obviously terrs might not care but I thought that was the 'rule' in accordence with the good prophet and fcking trouble makers book "how to screw the world up a lot forever" by Mohammed
 
#19
Trouble is, you can't really bomb Chechnya back into the stone age. It hasn't quite reached that advanced stage of development yet.

The Chechens were the cnuts who beheaded two Brit and one Kiwi telephone engineers a couple of years back, just for the fun of it.

They also operate the most ruthless of the Russian mafias. I was in sunny Moskva a few years back when a small turf war developed over who provided the muscle for a restaurant chain. The Chechens solved the argument by sending in a team of gunmen and spraying one of the said eateries with AKs set for rock'n'roll. Killed their rivals, the management, the customers......seems to be a pattern.
 
#20
Aunty Stella said:
I for one wouldn't shed a tear if Putin decided to nuke chechnya back into a primordial state.
Clearly you've not seen any pictures of Grozny recently....

msr
 
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