Battalion of Soldiers fail drug tests

I'm not in the army any more, but having been married to a woman who was drugged up to the eyeballs on skunk weed nearly every day, I stay clear of anything other than alcohol. However on a recent project in Thailand, my driver tested positive for drugs following a random test after the morning safety briefing. It was very marginal, so he was sent home for the day and lost a days pay.

Almost fkng unbelievably he failed again the next day and was fired on the spot.
Lucky the incident did not take place in Saudi Arabia.

Anecdotally at the height of the oil boom, a Saudi taxi driver disobeyed a traffic instruction and was hauled in by the police who then blamed the passenger as the taxi driver would not have done what he did if the passenger had not asked him to take him to where he wanted to go.
 
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If I have to spell it out there is no hope for you.
Yup, you really will, as I see NO reason why someone who isn't high at work but takes drugs in the evening or at the weekend is a loser. If you want to draw the argument that they contribute to a black economy that is full of scumbags then legalise them as you do have a point that they are the other side of the law by default.
 
Lucky the incident did not take place in Saudi Arabia.

Anecdotally at the height of the oil boom, a Saudi taxi driver disobeyed a traffic instruction and was hauled in by the police who then blamed the passenger as the taxi would not have done what he did if the passenger had not asked him to take him to where he wanted to go.
Twisted logic. I came across that sort of logic in Dubai where a mate of mine was held to blame for an rta even though his car was stationary when hit from behind.

The policeman told him that if he had stayed in his own country the accident wouldn't have happened
 
Yup, you really will, as I see NO reason why someone who isn't high at work but takes drugs in the evening or at the weekend is a loser. If you want to draw the argument that they contribute to a black economy that is full of scumbags then legalise them as you do have a point that they are the other side of the law by default.
My own opinion is that anyone who takes drugs for entertainment is a loser.
 
Twisted logic. I came across that sort of logic in Dubai where a mate of mine was held to blame for an rta even though his car was stationary when hit from behind.

The policeman told him that if he had stayed in his own country the accident wouldn't have happened
Used to be an Urban myth here- more and more people have dashcams fitted and a good insurance guy will sort things if you are not at fault. Tourists are still soft targets for the cops but they realise they can't play as many games with those of us who live here these days. Only had one try it on in 13 years driving here.

My own opinion is that anyone who takes drugs for entertainment is a loser.
Alcohol, nicotine? Pot is being de-criminalised or legalised in a growing number of countries.
 
Used to be an Urban myth here- more and more people have dashcams fitted and a good insurance guy will sort things if you are not at fault. Tourists are still soft targets for the cops but they realise they can't play as many games with those of us who live here these days. Only had one try it on in 13 years driving here.


Alcohol, nicotine? Pot is being de-criminalised or legalised in a growing number of countries.
I dont do nicotine and haven't partaken of ciggies for many years. I do like a glass of wine occasionally, a glass of good malt whisky and a decent pint of ale. But I don't subscribe to drinking to the extent that is the reason why Stella is known as "wife beater".

But seeing my ex-wife reduced to a dribbling wreck, barely able to walk every night, then suffering paranoia the next day whilst the effects of the skunk weed she had smoked the day before wore off, cured me of ever wanting to try it.

In America there is little control of firearms in some places and the crime rate involving guns in those areas is astronomical. In some countries it is permissible to chew Khat. I have been on the receiving end of a burst of automatic weapons fire from a Khat chewing tosser in Somalia.

In some countries it is legal for you to be hanged in the street for being gay.

I think thats enough to get some of the members here all frothed up. ;-)
 
When you're spending more on policing the illegality of something than you would spend on the effects of legalising that something and the only thing stopping you is politics, you're in a jam.

When you actively encourage the sale of a systemic poison at the same time you're in a frankly ludicrous position.

Legalise, legislate to exempt that legalisation for certain groups or self selecting organisations. Make the non users a self selecting group. Job jobbed.
 
Legalise, legislate to exempt that legalisation for certain groups or self selecting organisations. Make the non users a self selecting group. Job jobbed.
Will you be using similar arguments for the amount of sexual crimes that seem to be being commuted by deviants up and down the country?

Better idea.

Stop apologising and supporting this (drug taking) illegal activity in the hope people will think you're right on, trendy and 'down with the kidz'.

Talk to FRANK
 
Will you be using similar arguments for the amount of sexual crimes that seem to be being commuted by deviants up and down the country?

Better idea.

Stop apologising and supporting this (drug taking) illegal activity in the hope people will think you're right on, trendy and 'down with the kidz'.

Talk to FRANK

I'll go to to toe with you on drugs, their consumption, legislation and all other points. I don't need to talk to Frank I worked at the sharp end of drugs legislation enforcement and I know precisely what I talk of.

I'm apologising for nothing, I'm not being trendy, it's hard earned experience of enforcement at the very tip of the spear. One thing i can tell you. What we are doing and have done for the best part of 5 decades has not worked, will not work at current levels of funding and will only lead to spiralling costs if you try to outspend the manufacturers. Governments have countries to run, Cartels just need to make sure their drugs reach the end user. Cartels will ALWAYS win. Always. Escobar / Medellin went, Cali arrived. Its a many headed Hydra.

You beat them by taking the money from them. The only way to do that, unless you have a Government spending all of its money on drugs enforcement, is to take the product off them.

If the majority of the country feels as you do (and I think they do), then legalisation with an opt out shouldn't be an issue. If you opt in, you'll be selecting yourself for a life of low achievement, yet those low achievers get what they want.

I should add that I have no wish to consume any of the drugs du jour.
 
I appreciate that it's a random test etc, but just how random is it. Would everybody get tested annually but randomly, or would you expect to have your moistness probed say every 6 months?
How random is it?

Once a month in one Unit I've been attached to. Usually the first Tuesday of that month...
 
I'll go to to toe with you on drugs, their consumption, legislation and all other points. I don't need to talk to Frank I worked at the sharp end of drugs legislation enforcement and I know precisely what I talk of.

I'm apologising for nothing, I'm not being trendy, it's hard earned experience of enforcement at the very tip of the spear. One thing i can tell you. What we are doing and have done for the best part of 5 decades has not worked, will not work at current levels of funding and will only lead to spiralling costs if you try to outspend the manufacturers. Governments have countries to run, Cartels just need to make sure their drugs reach the end user. Cartels will ALWAYS win. Always. Escobar / Medellin went, Cali arrived. Its a many headed Hydra.

You beat them by taking the money from them. The only way to do that, unless you have a Government spending all of its money on drugs enforcement, is to take the product off them.

If the majority of the country feels as you do (and I think they do), then legalisation with an opt out shouldn't be an issue. If you opt in, you'll be selecting yourself for a life of low achievement, yet those low achievers get what they want.

I should add that I have no wish to consume any of the drugs du jour.
Alright Cheech, calm down.

Expunge the liberal left giving big licks about 'drugs are cool, and shouldn't be banned' and give it more

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Then ensure our prison systems (for example) deal robustly with users (no problems in just leaving them shut in a cell for a few months to clean out the system), and deal robustly with dealers.

No need for legalisation that isn't 'trying a new way' that's giving up. Who do you think will take full advantage of that? I'll give you a hint the very folk you seem to think will be damaged by legalisation.

If you want to really work it, rewrite the rules of war and go after the cartels, in a Tom Clancy stylee.
 
Again you're too binary, if everyone who takes "drugs" is a loser by that measure everyone who drinks is an alcoholic. Thought not. Real world there's a difference, one is socially acceptable - because reasons.
 
When you're spending more on policing the illegality of something than you would spend on the effects of legalising that something and the only thing stopping you is politics, you're in a jam.

When you actively encourage the sale of a systemic poison at the same time you're in a frankly ludicrous position.

Legalise, legislate to exempt that legalisation for certain groups or self selecting organisations. Make the non users a self selecting group. Job jobbed.

If only it was that simple Bill.

Legalizing it would only work if you sold the product at such a low price as to make it not worthwhile for the dealers or fakers or black market to sell it. e.g the selling of fake ciggies, booze, fake designer goods,etc hasn't diminished and yet the original and genuine items are legal.

Let's say Govt sells weed for £25 an ounce, some kind of approved tab for £10 each - all legit , tax collected, so all nice a neat eh? then someone comes along and says .......'pssst, i know where you can get it for £6 an ounce, tabs for £7' .....i just don't think that legalising it would necessarily get rid of the illegal dealers for the reasons i've stated.

...... and the collateral damage to society, industry and the NHS would be overwhelming.
 
Then ensure our prison systems (for example) deal robustly with users (no problems in just leaving them shut in a cell for a few months to clean out the system), and deal robustly with dealers.

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Why? They'd be getting on with their lives just fine until they were classed as criminals and therefore had to hang about with other criminals. You'd be the same if you had to go see a dealer if you wanted a 4 pack and a bottle of malt instead of going to Asda for it.
 

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