Batley & Spen by-election 1st July 2021

Cold_Collation

LE
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IMHO the perfect result for the Tories. Ran them very close so keeps the Labour Party at war with itself and yet reaffirms that no previously rock solid seat is safe.

At the same time it has exposed a multitude of new blue on blue potholes for a blindfolded Labour to navigate such as vociferous support for a section of society that abuses another section of society that they see as safe territory.

All the Tories need to do is make sure they’ve cornered the market on popcorn.
Red on red, surely? :-D
 
What IFs are always scary and as I said IF Corbyn had followed his socialist instincts he would have sided with the people on brexit and likely as not May would be PM still, but hanging on by her fingertips and Labour probably ahead in the polls.

As the batley result showed and I've tried to patiently highlight. The party base may well be going down but its generally a shallow downward trajectory. I continue to hold the view that the left are wrong on everything. So during brexit they're were often on twitter enjoying the idea of old people dying off. Its my strong view that the ugly reality is inside those stats is likely the answer for that downward trajectory i.e. labour are losing more voters than the tories and not replacing those lost votes with kids, because young people have always being easily seduced by the left.
The problem with certain biological facts is that they are immutable. They are not as easily rewritten as say, the history of slavery no matter how much various cretins on the left of U.K. politics might like to think so. Anatomy dictates gender in the same way that largely, age dictates death. The problem comes with the fact that old people who die are replaced by other people becoming old.

The young are seduced by the left because the left promises them the earth and someone else will pay. The young also generally hate the old anyway and also have yet to experience the periodic national descent into fuckwittery that occasionally gives the left a bit of power.

And then the young grow up, get a house, a decent job, kids etc and all of a sudden reality kicks in and some deadbeat appears on their doorstep and says “vote for me, I’ll take most of everything you’ve worked so hard for and give it to the feckless”.
 
The problem with certain biological facts is that they are immutable. They are not as easily rewritten as say, the history of slavery no matter how much various cretins on the left of U.K. politics might like to think so. Anatomy dictates gender in the same way that largely, age dictates death. The problem comes with the fact that old people who die are replaced by other people becoming old.

The young are seduced by the left because the left promises them the earth and someone else will pay. The young also generally hate the old anyway and also have yet to experience the periodic national descent into fuckwittery that occasionally gives the left a bit of power.

And then the young grow up, get a house, a decent job, kids etc and all of a sudden reality kicks in and some deadbeat appears on their doorstep and says “vote for me, I’ll take most of everything you’ve worked so hard for and give it to the feckless”.
At a deeper level of philosophy it was ever thus and chaos/order its noticeable as children grow into adulthood how much they're become wedded towards chaos as an agent, which will allow them to experience life better than there parents and grandparents. But, inversely the prodigal son is an old trope of a desire to return to order when things they've often agitated for turn out to be really bad.

Left and the new Progressive Politics is very good at defining problems as a 'crisis' and introducing policies which in the short term will probably help with the problem, but the long term consequences are intentionally excluded from the debate.

Random Example off the top of my head:-
The call to legalise and licence drugs will supposedly make the streets safer. So you have a drug dealer who makes a grand a week and will kill a competitor to maintain those earnings. Take away his earnings and you make the streets safer... The twin long term problems are:
1. The Criminally minded isn't suddenly going to go and get a job at Maccy D's. They're will turn to other crimes and street crime is actually likely to rise faster overtime as criminals need to make a living too.
2. All the people taking drugs go from an occasional dabble and become regular users and as prices rise on the drugs, the criminals will provide the cheaper generic alternatives and a lot of people spiral downwards.
 
I seriously hope she doesn't go full MP for Kashmir and Palestine to try prove how inclusive she can be.
Then again, if she doesn't, I hope another shade of supremacist doesn't get all stabby.

Police protection? - I don't think her sister could read the room very well either.

The irony. Her sister taken out by a nationalist nut job, her in danger of being taken out by a follower of the Prophet.

It would be funny but for the tragedy of it both in personal terms but also in the observation that the scenario is the perfect epithet for the nation the politics of division and enforced multiculturalism, both so vigorously espoused by idiots like Abbott who are too stupid to see the contradiction, has become.
 
At a deeper level of philosophy it was ever thus and chaos/order its noticeable as children grow into adulthood how much they're become wedded towards chaos as an agent, which will allow them to experience life better than there parents and grandparents. But, inversely the prodigal son is an old trope of a desire to return to order when things they've often agitated for turn out to be really bad.

Left and the new Progressive Politics is very good at defining problems as a 'crisis' and introducing policies which in the short term will probably help with the problem, but the long term consequences are intentionally excluded from the debate.

Random Example off the top of my head:-
The call to legalise and licence drugs will supposedly make the streets safer. So you have a drug dealer who makes a grand a week and will kill a competitor to maintain those earnings. Take away his earnings and you make the streets safer... The twin long term problems are:
1. The Criminally minded isn't suddenly going to go and get a job at Maccy D's. They're will turn to other crimes and street crime is actually likely to rise faster overtime as criminals need to make a living too.
2. All the people taking drugs go from an occasional dabble and become regular users and as prices rise on the drugs, the criminals will provide the cheaper generic alternatives and a lot of people spiral downwards.

I‘m not going to argue save to point out I don’t do philosophy. Walking the streets gives me enough to ponder on as it is.
 
For the benefit of anyone apart from me who does not get all this informed chit-chat about 'Biraderi':

SOURCE

The surprise victory of George Galloway in the 2012 Bradford West by-election and the subsequent success of the Respect party in the local elections later that year in the same city re-focused attention on the voting habits of South Asian Muslim communities in the UK.

In particular, there was heightened interest in electoral mobilisation within these communities and the use of kinship networks or ‘biraderi’ for political gain.1

For many years, community leaders, who were often biraderi elders, were incentivised by local politicians to make ethnicity-based claims for their communities and in return biraderi leaders endorsed those politicians who supported them, providing in effect a bloc community vote.

This is known as ‘biraderi politicking’ (Akhtar, 2013) and the use of kinship networks for electoral gain has been in operation in Britain for many years.

The principle of patronage underlying this arrangement was supported by both the Conservative and Labour parties who recognised it as their winning ticket into South Asian Muslim communities.

t has been suggested that the support for Respect in the 2012 Bradford West by-election was, in large part, the manifestation of young South Asian-origin voters’ disillusionment from mainstream politics due to this patronage system, and more specifically, the relationship between biraderi elders and the local Labour Party (Baston 2013).

No different to tribal voting habits in Africa. Keep the chief sweet, along with his boss, and you can guarantee the entire tribal area will vote for whoever he tells them they should. Couple of Hilux bakkies and a few cows is a small price to pay for control over a region.
 
The irony. Her sister taken out by a nationalist nut job, her in danger of being taken out by a follower of the Prophet.

It would be funny but for the tragedy of it both in personal terms but also in the observation that the scenario is the perfect epithet for the nation the politics of division and enforced multiculturalism, both so vigorously espoused by idiots like Abbott who are too stupid to see the contradiction, has become.
TBH I saw something a few days ago suggesting that wasn't the case (think Barry George & Jill Dando). As this was the first I had heard of it I took it with a pinch of salt but nothing would surprise me these days...
 
TBH I saw something a few days ago suggesting that wasn't the case (think Barry George & Jill Dando). As this was the first I had heard of it I took it with a pinch of salt but nothing would surprise me these days...

Not sure where I read it - possibly UnHerd.
The bottom line was that the murderer obtained an illegal weapon with intent to murder someone unspecified way before deciding on Jo Cox.
That he certainly had psychological problems relating to his parental situation seemed evident.
There was a tenuous link to an interest in fringe supremacist stuff - don't think he was actually politically literate or interested.
Jo Cox became his particular focus for the weapon he possessed.
Anyone normal could have accepted that she wasn't a significant benchmark for immigration/Brexit/whatever his gripes at all.
Guess it suits narratives to have him primarily as XRW than mental health case - same as the idiot who drove all the way from Cardiff (home of 3 early ISIS volunteers) to a random London suburb to try run a random muslim over.

Wonder whether he's sufficiently savvy to realise he's doing time for creating a martyr for things he despised?
 
TBH I saw something a few days ago suggesting that wasn't the case (think Barry George & Jill Dando). As this was the first I had heard of it I took it with a pinch of salt but nothing would surprise me these days...
I stand corrected if this is the case.
 

Goatman

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Interesting, and I see what you're saying re the Respect venture.
However, I bet the biraderi model, and mentality, is still very much at play whether the established 'biraderi elders' or young political Islamists.
From one demographics POV - why change it if it works?

I hasten to say that the source is someone from Stirling university rather than me. Just for a bit of collateral.
 
Not sure where I read it - possibly UnHerd.
The bottom line was that the murderer obtained an illegal weapon with intent to murder someone unspecified way before deciding on Jo Cox.
That he certainly had psychological problems relating to his parental situation seemed evident.
There was a tenuous link to an interest in fringe supremacist stuff - don't think he was actually politically literate or interested.
Jo Cox became his particular focus for the weapon he possessed.
Anyone normal could have accepted that she wasn't a significant benchmark for immigration/Brexit/whatever his gripes at all.
Guess it suits narratives to have him primarily as XRW than mental health case - same as the idiot who drove all the way from Cardiff (home of 3 early ISIS volunteers) to a random London suburb to try run a random muslim over.

Wonder whether he's sufficiently savvy to realise he's doing time for creating a martyr for things he despised?

One assumes someone should tell the trial judge then?

Sentencing Remarks of Mr Justice Wilkie: R -v- Thomas Mair

It is clear from your internet and other researches that your inspiration is not love of country or your fellow citizens, it is an admiration for Nazism, and similar anti democratic white supremacist creeds where democracy and political persuasion are supplanted by violence towards and intimidation of opponents and those who, in whatever ways, are thought to be different and, for that reason, open to persecution.
Or even -
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- Fair enough.
I was basing my post on an UnHerd article that:
a) I got the impression he'd obtained a weapon BEFORE deciding on his victim.
b) He'd got some underlying maternal issues.

Reading the Judges summary it seemed a little ambiguous when and whether he'd got the weapon with intent to target Jo Cox specifically.
Also, the fact that 'matricide' was mentioned as an issue.

"During the trial, Mair screwed up his face when the judge mentioned his internet search on “matricide”, made as he was researching Jo Cox, a mother of two. He reacted with the same contempt when her husband Brendan described the couple’s holidays in the Balkans volunteering with children orphaned by the war. As Mair was otherwise emotionless throughout, this response to mentions of mothers and motherhood stood out.

I was at the press conference after the trial when the senior investigating officer hinted that Mair, who had reloaded his gun after the attack on Cox, may have been planning to go on and harm his mother. Cottee, though, suggests the MP’s murder could have been a case of “displaced rage”: Jo Cox’s multicultural liberalism made her a “stand-in” or an “effigy” for the mother who betrayed Mair, but who he was unable to harm.

It was only after the trial that the police revealed that the sawn-off .22 rifle Mair used to kill Jo Cox had come into his hands at some point between the summer of 2015, when it was stolen, and early June 2016, when Mair began to make Google searches on the MP at Batley library, typing sinister questions on how best to kill. If true, it would suggest that Jo Cox, MP for just over a year, was not a long-standing obsession, but had only drifted into his line of sight during the referendum campaign. The gun, it seems, came first. (The police still don’t know how he acquired the weapon, though they are sure he was not the person who stole it.)"

Don't you be coming round 'ere with your professional knowledge - I learned all I know from Scooby Doo and I reckon 'nut job' was a more accurate description than political idealist.

ETA - Adjusting my crap formatting
 
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Don't you be coming round 'ere with your professional knowledge - I learned all I know from Scooby Doo and I reckon 'nut job' was a more accurate description than political idealist.

ETA - Adjusting my crap formatting

Scooby Do is an excellent guide to investigation!

I based my style generally on this chap....

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