BATCO

#1
Can anyone put a year to when this came in, the best we can narrow it down to is between 82 & 84 :?
 
#2
4RTR converted in Summer 1984, I did the last old-style course at Catterick and arrived at the regiment to find the C/S were changing and BATCO was being taught. First exercise was a disaster and led to primitive SOCs being acquired from the ScotsDG for quick attacks etc.
 

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#4
I did Griddle on my B3 Crewman Signaller course at Catterick in December 1975.
One (part) tour of Omagh later and a move to Tidworth, May 1976 where we used Universal Griddle. (Same as, except the datum points were now fixed on 25km boundaries instead of random points.)
Move to BAOR October 1977 where we started using Mapco (I now realise the thread title says Batco, not Mapco).
Still no whisper of Batco on my Control Signaller Course in 1978.
Still using Mapco in 3 Armd Div in June 1982 on my last exercise in 15/19H, but all operators (i.e. essentially everyone) were being trained in Batco as part of the Voice Procedure rewrite, effective IIRC 1 July 1982.
Arrived in 1 Armd Div, November 1982 where Batco was king. Except that on the Div Log Net Slidex remained the dowager queen.
 
#5
1984, just after 14/20H did the trial.....................
 
#6
Learnt mapco in training, 83, then got to Bn in 84 and had to learn batco
 
#7
I seem to remember being told that it was created/designed by several RAC RSWOs x 2 were 13/18 H and got their BEM's (But I was a naieve Tpr in 88) , 84 was the year
 
#9
I did a stint commanding Z0A in Batus and 0A himself had been part of the BATCO development. In light of this I made him read the one code sheet we got upside-down while I read it normally. It was still a race to beat him. :D
 
#10
I first came across it as a reservist on Ex Lionheart 84. Given a striker to command (never seen one of those before either) made life interesting.
 
#11
Hussar said:
I first came across it as a reservist on Ex Lionheart 84. Given a striker to command (never seen one of those before either) made life interesting.
One might argue that, for you, it was a very realistic exercise - because that was how it would have been if Ivan had decided to spend his summer on the French beaches - except the bullets would have been real!

How on earth did you cope? I once decoded a BATCO message and was 10kms out! I liked the Striker, though.

Litotes
 
#12
I was ex 15/19 Hussars and had spent my entire career in Scorps and FSC. Only ever saw the Mk 5 big wheel ferret with Swingfire, and certainly never served on it.
Going on Lionheart was an eyeopener. Got issued with shiny new kit at Pirbright including an SMG straight out of it's greaseproof wrapper. Never seen anything like it.
Arrived at Gutersloh on a BA trident and was handed over to the 9/12 Lancers. Told to command a Striker despite my protestations to the contrary. Had a good crew who knew what they were doing, just blagged the rest, still got lost a lot. Not much different from when I was in really. Managed to get sacks full of pyro from my old regiment who were umpiring.
That went down well with the Lancers as they seemed not to have been issued with much.
The Strikers had thermal imajing kit installed, I remember doing trials on these back in Tidworth during the late 70's when we had a few Scorps fitted with it. They also had if I remember correctly, some sort of swingfire simulator fitted.
Swapped all my new shiny kit for old crap before I went back to the UK (except for the small metel gun).
 
#14
Hussar said:
The Strikers had thermal imajing kit installed, I remember doing trials on these back in Tidworth during the late 70's when we had a few Scorps fitted with it. They also had if I remember correctly, some sort of swingfire simulator fitted.
Swapped all my new shiny kit for old crap before I went back to the UK (except for the small metel gun).
Thermal imaging in 1984? No. There might have been an infra-red detector or an image intensified sight but thermal imaging was a decade away. TOGS was introduced to CF and CR1 in the late 80s. I worked on Striker in the late 70s and there was nothing like that planned, IIRC. Even WR and Scimitar didn't get TI until much later (damned if I can remember the name, though,... Osprey and, and ?????).

Litotes
 
#15
Litotes said:
Hussar said:
The Strikers had thermal imajing kit installed, I remember doing trials on these back in Tidworth during the late 70's when we had a few Scorps fitted with it. They also had if I remember correctly, some sort of swingfire simulator fitted.
Swapped all my new shiny kit for old crap before I went back to the UK (except for the small metel gun).
Thermal imaging in 1984? No. There might have been an infra-red detector or an image intensified sight but thermal imaging was a decade away. TOGS was introduced to CF and CR1 in the late 80s. I worked on Striker in the late 70s and there was nothing like that planned, IIRC. Even WR and Scimitar didn't get TI until much later (damned if I can remember the name, though,... Osprey and, and ?????).

Litotes
Otis! :wink:
 
#16
soprano54 said:
Litotes said:
Hussar said:
The Strikers had thermal imajing kit installed, I remember doing trials on these back in Tidworth during the late 70's when we had a few Scorps fitted with it. They also had if I remember correctly, some sort of swingfire simulator fitted.
Swapped all my new shiny kit for old crap before I went back to the UK (except for the small metel gun).
Thermal imaging in 1984? No. There might have been an infra-red detector or an image intensified sight but thermal imaging was a decade away. TOGS was introduced to CF and CR1 in the late 80s. I worked on Striker in the late 70s and there was nothing like that planned, IIRC. Even WR and Scimitar didn't get TI until much later (damned if I can remember the name, though,... Osprey and, and ?????).

Litotes
Otis! :wink:
Otis was issued to Recce Tps in around ´87. It could only be used in the dismounted role and when attached to a rather complicated tripod and could also be mounted on the commander´s sight cowling but only when stationary. The Inf Recce plts got something similar that could be hand held. Both were an off the shelf buy for N.Ireland but were considered too cumbersome so were diverted to the Recce Tps/Plts. SQMCs never really got the hang of resupply of oxygen bottles.
 
#17
Litotes said:
Thermal imaging in 1984? No. There might have been an infra-red detector or an image intensified sight but thermal imaging was a decade away. TOGS was introduced to CF and CR1 in the late 80s. I worked on Striker in the late 70s and there was nothing like that planned, IIRC. Even WR and Scimitar didn't get TI until much later (damned if I can remember the name, though,... Osprey and, and ?????).

Litotes
Sorry, you're wrong. I saw TI in operation by the boffins on Salisbury plain in ca 1977, memory fades but IIRC it was a chance encounter in the region of Fox Covert or Haxton O, The equipment was set up in a caravan or somesuch and they had been using a Shir1 as a target vehicle. I watched the target vehicle, recognisable in all details, through a snowstorm and was mightily impressed.
I had been involved in other trials at Porton Down, where it had been necessary to learn the thermal signature of FSC, LR, 432 Mk1 and 2 etc. The Thermal picture was simply different shaped blobs, which, while one could say a target was present, what the target was could be a matter of conjecture until at quite short ranges.

There were trials at MVEE of a thermal pointer system for Chieftain based, AIUI, on the commanders cupola, this would, on detection of a target, 'lay' the gun on that area, how accurately I do not know. I was told of this by a guy in 3 RTR who had been involved in the trial, this was also 1970's
 
#18
STANOC...a dream posting for weapons staff qualified officers, who like field sports, point to points and the ability to pop up to Lonsdon in an hour!
 
#19
The STANOC five day course was a well known skive for those Germany based C/S who wanted a week back in Blighty at the Queen´s expense on attendance course.
 
#20
Cuddles said:
STANOC...a dream posting for weapons staff qualified officers, who like field sports, point to points and the ability to pop up to Lonsdon in an hour!
WTF was/is STANOC - it rings a bell and I cannot, for the life of me, remember what it stands for!
 
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