Barren Mess?

Caecilius

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It means you are selecting on social rather than professional criteria. If there was proven operational reasons I could understand this but I’m not convinced there is. Are the products of these messes significantly better? Does precluding married Officers or those who might not favour the formality of the mess produce better leaders? Are the soldiers being best served by the self-selecting cohort that a system like this produces?
We think so, yes. The prevailing view in the cavalry (and I'm sure many will challenge this) that a strong mess as a whole is better for combat effectiveness than individually strong officers. In general you want to take the most competent of those who buy-in to the regiments culture.
 
We think so, yes. The prevailing view in the cavalry (and I'm sure many will challenge this) that a strong mess as a whole is better for combat effectiveness than individually strong officers. In general you want to take the most competent of those who buy-in to the regiments culture.
I don't doubt that a strong mess is better than strong individuals. But just remind me again how living in the 1950s brings out those strengths? 42 Cdo mess was the strongest one I've seen, which is very different from the Cav.
 
I had dealings once with an ex forces charity run by a retired Colonel. He insisted on being called Colonel. His assistant/2 IC insisted on being called Major.
SSAFA by any chance?
 
you must have been on the posh end mate, you should have tried the 2 beds on Gunville
I lived in Gunville down as a pads brats, the housing was generally better than my civvie relatives.
 
I lived in Gunville down as a pads brats, the housing was generally better than my civvie relatives.
That might have been the case in the 70's but they've only just modernised them by retiling the roofs. As a landlord I know that I'd struggle to rent out anything in that state to a prospective tenant.
 

Caecilius

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I don't doubt that a strong mess is better than strong individuals. But just remind me again how living in the 1950s brings out those strengths? 42 Cdo mess was the strongest one I've seen, which is very different from the Cav.
Living in the 1950s doesn't. Building a strong, cohesive, brotherly mess does. There are several ways to do that. One is to all do the same arduous course. Another is to eat and socialise together each evening.
 
That might have been the case in the 70's but they've only just modernised them by retiling the roofs. As a landlord I know that I'd struggle to rent out anything in that state to a prospective tenant.
Early 80s you cheeky ****, we had central heating and double glazing before most civvies.
 
The SSBN CO is one of the most isolated posts in the UK Mil - he is expected to dissapear and have zero (and I mean zero) contact with any friendly authorities for the duration of his patrol. He cannot ask or send for help, he cannot break silence and he cannot seek 1 / 2 up approval/endorsement or get an idea of the command intent and his role in that plan.

An Infantry Bn CO will always while deployed have a wider HQ and support structure to lean into and provide support. By contrast a SSBN is expected to vanish, man up and stay there until told to do otherwise.

It is an utterly isolated existence where you have to motivate 150 people through 3 months of total isolation and no contact with the home base and go through the routine and boredom of a patrol in the dark, while ensuring that you stand ready to execute the ultimate mission if the nuclear firing chain demands it of you.

You are also operational every moment you go out into the deeps - there is no help, no support and there are a lot of Russian submarines very keen to find you and be ready to kill you. The nations nuclear safety relies on you not ******* up 24/7 in an alien and very very dangerous environment.
All well and good, but what's his Wardroom like? :) Not much scope for variety in a 3 month stretch of driving round in circles.

What do they do for entertainment? Draw rude pictures with the boat on the chart plotter? it's not like it matters where they go within the patrol area.
 
Living in the 1950s doesn't. Building a strong, cohesive, brotherly mess does. There are several ways to do that. One is to all do the same arduous course. Another is to eat and socialise together each evening.
Well, that’s a shame, as it’s about to have girls in it.
 
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