Barren Mess?

, offering something better for those who don’t want to drink huge amounts (I.e. decent non-alcoholic drinks, or smoothies, or whatever) would go a long way.
What if you don't want poofs drinking in your Mess though?
 
It certainly demonstrates changing times. The Mess and Rank exclusivity that Caecilius describes, although serving a really useful purpose, are simply out of step with the changes in society.
The was a female LCpl in Guterloh who applying for her commission, she was known to be a bit adventurous but getting spit roasted in the showers was just a step to far for the hierarchy.
At the same time a bi sexual officer in the AGC was was ******* a few of the junior lesbians, then got caught in a threesome with some jammy **** and another bird, then got her captain rank.
Nothing like a bit of hypocrisy.
 
That’s just an abstraction though.

One is a living breathing organisation of people. The other is a thing.
SSBNs are unmanned now, are they? Airbases too?
 
The was a female LCpl in Guterloh who applying for her commission, she was known to be a bit adventurous but getting spit roasted in the showers was just a step to far for the hierarchy.
At the same time a bi sexual officer in the AGC was was ******* a few of the junior lesbians, then got caught in a threesome with some jammy **** and another bird, then got her captain rank.
Nothing like a bit of hypocrisy.
The latter could file a SC which would cost a bit to defend against. Had it happened when we were flush with both people and money good chance she would have been asked to leave.
 
The latter could file a SC which would cost a bit to defend against. Had it happened when we were flush with both people and money good chance she would have been asked to leave.
This was about 2002-2003.
A couple of years earlier another young Female Troopie was getting pervy text messages (from a Tom we later found out when he got arrested) and was asked if it could be one of her ex's in the army, allegedly the list was long and varied and spanned the rank range.
 
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I probably wouldn't throw stones until you've served in a unit with a traditional mess. We ate together for good reasons and it gave the mess a great atmosphere. If you wanted to do something else during dinner, as we often did, you just had to get permission from the senior liver in. It just stopped people from getting lazy and eating in their room.
The National Statistical Office (or somesuch), define a domestic "family", as a group of folk who eat together.

I always thought promoting the idea of a "Regimental family" was something positive, and which characterised military Army (and the RN Wardroom) life . . . and differentiate it from detached, infrequently cohesive, environment that is associated with civilian employment.
 
Yup. The best messes I've been in have enforced attendance at dinner. If you can't enforce it then the mess, in any traditional sense, will die. That can be replaced by a fun environment to live in without the rules, but only in the right place. You'll never really achieve that in HQ or large base messes.
Completely disagree. Ours is an HQ mess and is absolutely kicking Mon-Thu, rank ranged OF1-6 most nights, very relaxed and no piss taking. Quiet at weekends though because the majority of livers-in are weekly boarders. Dress code is relaxed, and in the Scruffs Bar (for which read 'on the other side of the pillars in the main bar' you can wear pretty much anything you would be prepared to go to a pub in.
 
So 'out of hours' you're just another civvie then? A great illustration of a job rather than a career, and indicative of why the military calling and service ethos are dying.
Repeated for emphasis.
 
It’s not about trumping either, they have differing responsibilities.

It would be easy to argue that the boat driver is simply a facilitator, he won’t make the decision to launch, but will follow orders or pre established protocols.

There will be times where the kite flyer will be under immense pressures while the others are not, vis a vis the man mover and boat driver. It is simply unfair to dismiss one or the other, especially as the appointments you describe will be of similar rank.
 
The National Statistical Office (or somesuch), define a domestic "family", as a group of folk who eat together.

I always thought promoting the idea of a "Regimental family" was something positive, and which characterised military Army (and the RN Wardroom) life . . . and differentiate it from detached, infrequently cohesive, environment that is associated with civilian employment.
Is that the same military life that frequently shits on it subordinates?
 
It’s not about trumping either, they have differing responsibilities.

It would be easy to argue that the boat driver is simply a facilitator, he won’t make the decision to launch, but will follow orders or pre established protocols.

There will be times where the kite flyer will be under immense pressures while the others are not, vis a vis the man mover and boat driver. It is simply unfair to dismiss one or the other, especially as the appointments you describe will be of similar rank.
The SSBN CO is one of the most isolated posts in the UK Mil - he is expected to dissapear and have zero (and I mean zero) contact with any friendly authorities for the duration of his patrol. He cannot ask or send for help, he cannot break silence and he cannot seek 1 / 2 up approval/endorsement or get an idea of the command intent and his role in that plan.

An Infantry Bn CO will always while deployed have a wider HQ and support structure to lean into and provide support. By contrast a SSBN is expected to vanish, man up and stay there until told to do otherwise.

It is an utterly isolated existence where you have to motivate 150 people through 3 months of total isolation and no contact with the home base and go through the routine and boredom of a patrol in the dark, while ensuring that you stand ready to execute the ultimate mission if the nuclear firing chain demands it of you.

You are also operational every moment you go out into the deeps - there is no help, no support and there are a lot of Russian submarines very keen to find you and be ready to kill you. The nations nuclear safety relies on you not ******* up 24/7 in an alien and very very dangerous environment.
 
The SSBN CO is one of the most isolated posts in the UK Mil - he is expected to dissapear and have zero (and I mean zero) contact with any friendly authorities for the duration of his patrol. He cannot ask or send for help, he cannot break silence and he cannot seek 1 / 2 up approval/endorsement or get an idea of the command intent and his role in that plan.

An Infantry Bn CO will always while deployed have a wider HQ and support structure to lean into and provide support. By contrast a SSBN is expected to vanish, man up and stay there until told to do otherwise.

It is an utterly isolated existence where you have to motivate 150 people through 3 months of total isolation and no contact with the home base and go through the routine and boredom of a patrol in the dark, while ensuring that you stand ready to execute the ultimate mission if the nuclear firing chain demands it of you.

You are also operational every moment you go out into the deeps - there is no help, no support and there are a lot of Russian submarines very keen to find you and be ready to kill you. The nations nuclear safety relies on you not ******* up 24/7 in an alien and very very dangerous environment.
This isn’t the argument you are looking for.
 
Is that the same military life that frequently shits on it subordinates?
I hear your pain!!

I have received such treatment, and was determined not to repeat the behaviour upon my subordinates.

Not sure what this has to do with Mess life?
 
I hear your pain!!

I have received such treatment, and was determined not to repeat the behaviour upon my subordinates.

Not sure what this had to with Mess life?
There no point in pretending it's one big family where everyone gets on and socialises when those above you have no hesitation in chucking you under the bus to further their own interests.
 
There no point in pretending it's one big family where everyone gets on and socialises when those above you have no hesitation in chucking you under the bus to further their own interests.
Are you sure you're not a Scaley?
 
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