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Ban petrol and diesel cars - Lib Dems find new way to destroy their credibility

FORMER_FYRDMAN

LE
Book Reviewer
#1
Personally I'd have thought that Nick and his chums would have quite enjoyed their rare period in office so this might be an awkward reminder of the fruit cakes who make up their core support and the futility of pursuing an electoral strategy based on vegetarians, jam-makers and real-alers.

Lib Dems: ban petrol and diesel cars from UK roads by 2040 - Telegraph

I will happily vote for any party which promises to focus on restoring the economy through the systematic slaughtering of the eco-lobby's sacred cows.
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

LE
Book Reviewer
#7
Where is the energy baseload coming from to power this wonder fleet and have they any concept of the environmental impact of extracting the necessary rare earths? As for shale gas - I'm a huge fan but even I don't think it can be part of a zero carbon energy strategy. Why do these people not even attempt to educate themselves slightly before gobbing off?
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

LE
Book Reviewer
#9
Tedious no mark politician says something controversial.

Dogs bark.

*yawn*.
Politician doesn't say anything at all - it is a proposal to be put to the Lib Dem conference and could become the official policy of one of the UK's governing parties if adopted - a rather alarming indicator of how out of touch a section of government is and an indicator of the degree of folly and cost our political class is prepared to contemplate in order to secure a constituency like the environmentalists.
 
#12
What a gang of raving nutters these idiots are? And to think they hold the balance of power in the present Government and hope to do the same if a future Labour government gets the most votes. It seems morally wrong for a group (I can't dignify them by calling them a party) who hardly anyone votes for, should be able to have cabinet ministers appointed in government.
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

LE
Book Reviewer
#13
What a gang of raving nutters these idiots are? And to think they hold the balance of power in the present Government and hope to do the same if a future Labour government gets the most votes. It seems morally wrong for a group (I can't dignify them by calling them a party) who hardly anyone votes for, should be able to have cabinet ministers appointed in government.
Which is exactly the issue if the next election goes the way of the last one and this becomes a bargaining chip.
 
#15
It has some merit in that a mobile carbon recovery plant to bolt to our car engines isn't likely to be practical. However, it's trying to regulate today's solutions to fix tomorrow's problems. What they should do is specify the problem with some boundaries, so industry can offer us a range of solutions to pick the best from: specify a co2 limit per passenger mile with some realistic methods for measuring it in its entirety.

We got in this mess by bringing carbon compounds up from underground, that the natural carbon cycle had tucked away over millions of years, and pumping them back into the atmosphere. It's just a hunch, but maybe the best solution is to put them back underground using similar methods to that cycle.

Better still identify the real problem, you can't move people without using energy. We pollute more than the Victorians managed, with coal fired steam engines, because we travel far further. It would be more productive to use technology to cut the number of journeys made.
 
#16
Honestly they are stupid ****ing ****ers to say the least what a load of tossers .But there again as mentioned they are finished as been credible they micht as well go in with the loony party
 
#17
It has some merit in that a mobile carbon recovery plant to bolt to our car engines isn't likely to be practical. However, it's trying to regulate today's solutions to fix tomorrow's problems. What they should do is specify the problem with some boundaries, so industry can offer us a range of solutions to pick the best from: specify a co2 limit per passenger mile with some realistic methods for measuring it in its entirety.

We got in this mess by bringing carbon compounds up from underground, that the natural carbon cycle had tucked away over millions of years, and pumping them back into the atmosphere. It's just a hunch, but maybe the best solution is to put them back underground using similar methods to that cycle.

Better still identify the real problem, you can't move people without using energy. We pollute more than the Victorians managed, with coal fired steam engines, because we travel far further. It would be more productive to use technology to cut the number of journeys made.
The problem has been partialy identified ! but what happens no money forthcoming and the problem of cleaning carbon and sulpher becomes another problem of where to use the gypsum which is left when all building has virtualy ground to a halt
 
#18
Great idea. Now, get cracking on diverting the overseas aid budget, clawing back the billions given to the banks and use the funds to set up some serious cold fusion R&D.
 
#19
Lovely idea leccy cars... shame you have to bun fossil fuels to produce the leccy... especially as we 'don't' want nuclear.

All this stuff about EVs fails to realise that they may 'clean' at the point of delivery to/contact with the user but they can be very dirty in the background. And why 'advanced hybrids' (whatever the **** they are)? Hybrids really only came about because the Americans don't do diesel in cars. There're quite a number of diesels out there that are a far better bet than hybrids when it comes to fuel economy - especially on longer journeys.

Ill though-out, headline-grabbing tosh.
 
#20
It has some merit in that a mobile carbon recovery plant to bolt to our car engines isn't likely to be practical. However, it's trying to regulate today's solutions to fix tomorrow's problems. What they should do is specify the problem with some boundaries, so industry can offer us a range of solutions to pick the best from: specify a co2 limit per passenger mile with some realistic methods for measuring it in its entirety.

We got in this mess by bringing carbon compounds up from underground, that the natural carbon cycle had tucked away over millions of years, and pumping them back into the atmosphere. It's just a hunch, but maybe the best solution is to put them back underground using similar methods to that cycle.

Better still identify the real problem, you can't move people without using energy. We pollute more than the Victorians managed, with coal fired steam engines, because we travel far further. It would be more productive to use technology to cut the number of journeys made.
Reducing journeys would help, it's already happening with conference calls etc, but we also need to look at changing working times: Everyone seems to want to travel from about 0700 till 1800 every day, we need to look at staggering working hours, more working from home where possible

and, crucially, fuel technology.

We now cannot exist without motor transport, we need to break the oil companies' strangle hold over research into alternative fuels.

If old style diesel engines can run on cooking oil then we can refine it surely, and make it turbo-able
 

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