Ban on smoking in public places

#21
I am a smoker and doing so as I write this. I hope that I will not now be banned from this forum.

... was writing a good sensible reply but go so p*ssed of with even witing about my right to light up and the f*cking nanny state that I've deleted it and I'm off for another smoke to calm down.

F*CK BLAIR.
 
#22
I'm a smoker but agree that, for non-smokers, it's horrible being stuck in a smokey environment. I just think there should be "non smoking" places and "smoking" places ... make life bearable for everyone! I for one won't be going out to pubs when they become non-smoking. I'll stay at home with mates ... save alot of money - cheaper booze, so it'll probably be a good thing for me.

But this Labour government is driving me nuts. They'll be banning takeaways next - unhealthy food. Can't discipline your own kids or even young thugs that threaten you. Can't do this; can't do that. In 20 years time pubs will probably be alcohol free zones, cos booze is bad for you too. I'm just glad I'm in the "later" stage of my life and won't be around to see all the crap that will happen in the future.

8)
 
#23
The law (in Scotland at least) covers all public places that include members bars. I believe an army mess would be included in the ban.

primroseandblue said:
Superb piece Gringo and I must agree with 98% of what you said. The thing with the smoking is that it is a habit that adversly affects the health of those who come into contact with it. If smokers wish to polute themselves with all that crap that is their business and I vigorously defend their right to do so, but that is not as important as my right not to experience their byproduct.
Of course you don't need to experience it. You don't need to go to a smoking pub. If you want to go out, there are huge numbers of pubs and/or wine bars that (1) ban smoking altogether or (2) have non smoking areas that are pretty much smoke free.

There are all kinds of 'byproducts' from other peoples' actions; drinking contributes to violence, 'noise polution', vandalism and carries health risks. Allowing pet dogs means we get poo in the parks and attacks on children. Driving a car contributes to pollution and death. Apparently driving a 4x4 in London will cause the world to end.

Living together requires some tolerence. I don't force anyone to breath my smoke. If as a group my mates and I decide to go to a non-smoking pub, I'm happy to stand outside and puff. Yet instead of doing this, and letting us decide through choice what it is we want to do, this law is being sneaked in to remove a simple pleasure that is forced upon no one else. A much better alternative would have been to require all pubs to have a no-smoking area with decent ventilation/air conditioning. This might force some pubs to become completely non-smoking, but at least leaves us with choice (ie freedom)

And don't get me started on the rubbish about passive smoking from ASH. I know enough about stats from school & uni to see through the simplistic and misimplied reports and 'studies' by random unqualified groups, but I get the impression most people don't.

So it's unhealthy? That's my choice! I ran a marathon last year (4 hours) and will run another this year (target: 2 hrs 15 mins :). Does this make me more of a health risk or less than lardy arsed beer belly over there at the bar? And so what either way? Or is beer to be regulated and finally banned too?

But as has been said before, there's more and more pressure from people who say "I don't like what you're doing, [despite it having nothing to do with me], so I'm going to lobby for it to be banned". Which makes my blood boil. I'm so angry I'm going to throw the laptop down.

I admit that all I've done about it is whinge on forums and in the pub. Anyone want to join a 'personal freedom' march on London? Or maybe it's time to move somewhere enlightened and free. Like Iran. Er.
 
#24
I wonder if they will be banning smoking while in the field ? I am a non smoker but I have been around soldiers on exercise or during breaks on the range who smoked. So far there has been no effect on my health. Its another case of the government trying to run your life [it happens in the US as well].
 
#25
Lucky old you Pawno for having such a progressive city as Edinburgh to live in. Non-smoking pubs in Gosport (where I live)? Well we have Wetherspoons where I can sit at the back of the pub breathing a slightly less polluted version of the smokey air in the main section. I also find it an unpleasant establishment to socialise in so I've had it, haven't I? Why don't we put up the duty on your ciggies to pay for decent ventelation in all pubs. That should see you paying about 6 or 7 quid for a 20 deck. Do you think that would work? I applaud you for exercising some self control and not breathing your smoke on others in confined spaces. The fact is that not everybody is a sensible/thoughtful as you and legislation is needed to protect us from their selfishness
 
#26
primroseandblue said:
Lucky old you Pawno for having such a progressive city as Edinburgh to live in. Non-smoking pubs in Gosport (where I live)? Well we have Wetherspoons where I can sit at the back of the pub breathing a slightly less polluted version of the smokey air in the main section. I also find it an unpleasant establishment to socialise in so I've had it, haven't I? Why don't we put up the duty on your ciggies to pay for decent ventelation in all pubs. That should see you paying about 6 or 7 quid for a 20 deck. Do you think that would work? I applaud you for exercising some self control and not breathing your smoke on others in confined spaces. The fact is that not everybody is a sensible/thoughtful as you and legislation is needed to protect us from their selfishness
:p to you too :D I'd be very happy to see legislation brought in to require public places that allow smoking to be well ventilated, easily checked with a polution monitor. Just because I smoke doesn't mean that I like stinking of old ash either! As you say, you find Weatherspoons pants (and they're about to all go non-smoking); here we tend to go to a smoky pub out of habit because it's a great pub, despite many of us being non smokers and all of us disliking the aftereffects. If legislation requiring a decent environment persuades most pubs to switch to non-smoking pubs, then good stuff; there will still be many pubs that smokers can go to and enjoy a relaxing pint and pipe. What I dislike is blanket bans on any activity that affects only those who choose to take part - in this case, that choose to have their (your?) social lives in smoky pubs.

Even better we could require all cigarette manufacturers to make decent quality ciggies with decent tobacco, and so make the after effects less unpleasant. Well, it might help...

As for extra duty on ciggies; again it might be interesting to see how the tax raised compares to money spent on extra health care, and money not spent on pensions and longer term health care given we shuffle off our mortal fags many years earlier,
 
#27
SoftPawn said:
primroseandblue said:
Lucky old you Pawno for having such a progressive city as Edinburgh to live in. Non-smoking pubs in Gosport (where I live)? Well we have Wetherspoons where I can sit at the back of the pub breathing a slightly less polluted version of the smokey air in the main section. I also find it an unpleasant establishment to socialise in so I've had it, haven't I? Why don't we put up the duty on your ciggies to pay for decent ventelation in all pubs. That should see you paying about 6 or 7 quid for a 20 deck. Do you think that would work? I applaud you for exercising some self control and not breathing your smoke on others in confined spaces. The fact is that not everybody is a sensible/thoughtful as you and legislation is needed to protect us from their selfishness
:p to you too :D I'd be very happy to see legislation brought in to require public places that allow smoking to be well ventilated, easily checked with a polution monitor. Just because I smoke doesn't mean that I like stinking of old ash either! As you say, you find Weatherspoons pants (and they're about to all go non-smoking); here we tend to go to a smoky pub out of habit because it's a great pub, despite many of us being non smokers and all of us disliking the aftereffects. If legislation requiring a decent environment persuades most pubs to switch to non-smoking pubs, then good stuff; there will still be many pubs that smokers can go to and enjoy a relaxing pint and pipe. What I dislike is blanket bans on any activity that affects only those who choose to take part - in this case, that choose to have their (your?) social lives in smoky pubs.

Even better we could require all cigarette manufacturers to make decent quality ciggies with decent tobacco, and so make the after effects less unpleasant. Well, it might help...

noAs for extra duty on ciggies; again it might be interesting to see how the tax raised compares to money spent on extra health care, and money t spent on pensions and longer term health care given we shuffle off our mortal fags many years earlier,
I believe that the Tax revenue from cigarettes pays for the the NHS treatment of smoking related diseases by Mid February.After that It is pure profit for the Exchequer(which is why they get so uppity about cheap/smugggled fags from abroad)
 
#28
eve1962 said:
I'm a smoker but agree that, for non-smokers, it's horrible being stuck in a smokey environment. I just think there should be "non smoking" places and "smoking" places ... make life bearable for everyone! I for one won't be going out to pubs when they become non-smoking. I'll stay at home with mates ... save alot of money - cheaper booze, so it'll probably be a good thing for me
8)
Stay at Home with mates. OH no you won't! :lol: You'll go down the pub and like others on this thread have said, you will do outside where the pups will have set up a smoking area and smoke there.
I have experianced this in Ireland and come rain sleet snow(sometimes sun) the pubs are packed and everyone abides by the law and smokes outside. I expect cases of flu have gone up though!!! :wink:
 
#29
forniup said:
eve1962 said:
I'm a smoker but agree that, for non-smokers, it's horrible being stuck in a smokey environment. I just think there should be "non smoking" places and "smoking" places ... make life bearable for everyone! I for one won't be going out to pubs when they become non-smoking. I'll stay at home with mates ... save alot of money - cheaper booze, so it'll probably be a good thing for me
8)
Stay at Home with mates. OH no you won't! :lol: You'll go down the pub and like others on this thread have said, you will do outside where the pups will have set up a smoking area and smoke there.
I have experianced this in Ireland and come rain sleet snow(sometimes sun) the pubs are packed and everyone abides by the law and smokes outside. I expect cases of flu have gone up though!!! :wink:
Smoking related diseases-Frostbite,chilblains,pneumonia&hypothermia :lol: But joking aside the first scottish no-smoking pub has gone bust(It went no smoking on January 1st)
 
#30
SoftPawn said:
..................here we tend to go to a smoky pub out of habit because it's a great pub, despite many of us being non smokers and all of us disliking the aftereffects.If legislation requiring a decent environment persuades most pubs to switch to non-smoking pubs, then good stuff; there will still be many pubs that smokers can go to and enjoy a relaxing pint and pipe. What I dislike is blanket bans on any activity that affects only those who choose to take part - in this case, that choose to have their (your?) social lives in smoky pubs.
Isn't it funny how non-smokers generally put up with a smokey envirionment to have a good time in a good pub with good friends, yet smokers get almost violent at the thought of spending that same time in a good pub with good friends, if they can't smoke?

Some thoughts:

Is there really a "right" to smoke?
Is there such a thing as a "non-smoking" area in an establishment that allows smoking? Does smoke know it's boundaries?
 
#31
RCSignals said:
Isn't it funny how non-smokers generally put up with a smokey envirionment to have a good time in a good pub with good friends, yet smokers get almost violent at the thought of spending that same time in a good pub with good friends, if they can't smoke?
Whit? I'm saying that a choice is right, and that if I as a smoker go to a non-smoking place I'm happy not to smoke in that place. I object to the fact that me and my friends, as a group, will no longer be allowed to make a choice about the environment of the place we go to.

Is there really a "right" to smoke?
I've had a few beers, but this is a load of bowlox. Rights are assigned by the legislative (pretty much by definition). What we're talking about is the removal of the 'right' to smoke in public places. Don't get me started on Absolute Rights; they don't exist. Perhaps a subject for a different thread through...

Is there such a thing as a "non-smoking" area in an establishment that allows smoking? Does smoke know it's boundaries?
Fair point; some so-called 'non smoking' areas aren't really all that non-smoky, and that can and should be monitored. But many are clear apart from a background/occasional wiff. Does that upset you? Is the sight of a fat bird offensive to you? Does the smell of the brocolli from the next table make you ill?
 
#32
Friday night/Sat morning, flashy is on one.

Long and short is this 'government' has yet again dictated how we should all behave without consultation or opinion. They really are using Parliamentary Democracy to its fullest extent (you, the voter are as free in thought and control as a Zim citizen is once you’ve placed your cross in the box). As this thread proves, discussion is provoked by the for's and against's but actually sways from the core argument of consent. Very pseudo clever from our masters in No 10.

'Push a Bill through and let them argue the detailed issues of the content of the Bill rather than the issue of 'did you ask us in the first place'. '

I'm sure a list has been made before on this site regarding certain 'laws, policies and bills' made by the current occupants of Downing Street and how they were made without the public’s agreement. Look up how we are ruled. It has more floors in it than the Empire State Building.

You all whinge and whine that this Govnt is a crock of shoite (it will always be this way regardless who is in power, akin to the squaddie rite of bitching about the OC/CO etc).

Understand one thing. This Govnt has and will continue to ensure that you, the British Citizen, has less free will and power to decide the outcome of the democratic process you cherish so much. New Labour? My arrse. Same Labour as ever with a new spin. The common man as purported by Labour is a myth. The aim, as always, has been to control and reduce the common denominator.

Hunting issue. The Fox. A very clever animal as it took the pressure off the issue of the Govn having no balls whatsoever getting involved in a very American war.

Armed Forces reduction. The players involved in allowing this to happen, at a time when troops were stretched to the extreme should be shot at dawn. Even the simplest member of the Darwin club could see that maximum deployment and maximum commitment equals at least keep the Armed Forces on par to when they were first told to deploy.

Inflow of alien persons to a country that is already at breaking point (foresight of NHS over spill, Benefits claims and fraud and crime). No policy from this Govn has effectively quelled the concerns that this country can handle anything more than a small family from Botswana who wish to pursue a legitimate place in the economy and claim nothing more than a 'get you in pack' prior to showing a return to the country they have chosen to settle in. This Govn has advertised the fact that we are easier to rip off than an elderly lady who is trying to sell her deceased husbands 'V12 E Type on EBay for 1200 quid'. The incomers have more rights than the locals.

Law. This Govn has ensured that the police are at their smallest numbers since Bobby Peel Esq. suggested that it was a good idea to have a bunch of sound chaps in a common uniform that could stop nasty men being err nasty towards the good folk of London Town. If this wasn’t enough, they have ensured that real criminals get lost in a pile of paper work that would make a member of the AGC look like a good egg when processing a travel claim. Result-A crim ha more rights than the victim, if he should be wronged and actually send to nick, he lives in more opulence than the 'working class, law abiding citizen' he robbed in the first place.

Benefits. Humans are lazy by default. If you give them a choice of something for feck all or work, work, work and you shall reap the rewards. Most humans will go for option 1. If you actually make it an attractive proposition for the majority to do feck all then as a Govn, you are on to a winner if you want to be in a job four years later. You recruit the mainstay to your re election by allowing them to revert to default mode, tell them they will still be comfortable by doing the square root of feck all. Et voila, you have an easy majority in the places you have converted into sucking chest wound, sponging chav, dumbing down Trisha viewing/guest, drain on the respectable but now in the minority populace. Win, win, win. Hitler did a similar thing but his methods were slightly different, he used Gas instead of Dumfuckedness.

Well, that about sums up the thoughts from Flash Manor. The missus is advertising her skills and prowess in taking out world leaders (see http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn/index.p...pic&t=12864&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=0)

If anyone can think of a 'world leader' who may need the services of Frau Flash, let us know (not Saturdays or Sundays as her M82 Barrett is in the cleaners). :wink:
 
#33
SoftPawn said:
Whit? I'm saying that a choice is right, and that if I as a smoker go to a non-smoking place I'm happy not to smoke in that place. I object to the fact that me and my friends, as a group, will no longer be allowed to make a choice about the environment of the place we go to.
I agree with you in this about choices.



Is there such a thing as a "non-smoking" area in an establishment that allows smoking? Does smoke know it's boundaries?
Fair point; some so-called 'non smoking' areas aren't really all that non-smoky, and that can and should be monitored. But many are clear apart from a background/occasional wiff. Does that upset you? Is the sight of a fat bird offensive to you? Does the smell of the brocolli from the next table make you ill?[/quote]

S light whiff probably doesn't bother me. It bothers many. the thing is, is there such a thing as a slight whiff in a room or even half a room of smokers?

The sight of a fat bird doesn't make my clothes stink for days, nor does the smell of brocolli. Although there are some who would certainly make a 'stink' of both
 
#35
The Lord Flasheart said:
RC Sigs, quick question, do you live in the UK?
deleted, answered PM instead
 
#36
Yes, I did already know that. Point being? Minor 'public issues' used as a Tsunami by the current bunch of inbred fcukwits in no 10. Cause alarm to the already subdued populace, move the Stormtroopers in. Using an ever popular catch phrase from Blondebint, smoke and mirrors, dumb us down, big noise over small issues, the plebs will still be confused over trivia when we pass the bigger 'reprogramming' laws. Bish bash bosh, we arrive in The Matrix run by Labour. Except, its not as good as the film original and instead of Keanu in a cool full length leather coat, we have the Tories in a grey suit and beige shirt telling us how nawty the Labour party are. Losers.
 
#37
Britain seems to be following the path of Canada on many of these issues, be it smoking in a public place, gun control, military reform, .......much of looks identical
 

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