Equinox
LE
Well, if they are burning unseasoned wood and rubbish, they'll probably fail to sweep their chimneys and will have a house on fire .
Always a brightside
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Ban on coal and " wet " wood for use in wood burners and fireplaces
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LE
Always a brightside
Wood burner in a city is mostly a vanity thing....
Wood burner in the countryside where we have 1000s of dying ash trees that need to be felled and disposed of is 100% sensible....couple that with the fact that supposedly those same ash trees are only allowed to be burnt on site means that pursuing the odd person who has a log burner in the name of the environment is utterly pointless when we will be having huge bonfires fed by a loading shovel or 360 excavator of inefficiently combusted dead ash....
Every single one of my near neighbours has a log burner and/or several open fires ....in the winter it's like a bush telegraph .... we know old Hilda across the field who lost her husband a few years ago and lives alone is OK on a winters morning because we can see the smoke rising from her log burner first thing....
We will have to take down another 2 big old ash this spring in the garden ..... we'll be burning logs for decades to come
Wood burner in the countryside where we have 1000s of dying ash trees that need to be felled and disposed of is 100% sensible....couple that with the fact that supposedly those same ash trees are only allowed to be burnt on site means that pursuing the odd person who has a log burner in the name of the environment is utterly pointless when we will be having huge bonfires fed by a loading shovel or 360 excavator of inefficiently combusted dead ash....
Every single one of my near neighbours has a log burner and/or several open fires ....in the winter it's like a bush telegraph .... we know old Hilda across the field who lost her husband a few years ago and lives alone is OK on a winters morning because we can see the smoke rising from her log burner first thing....
We will have to take down another 2 big old ash this spring in the garden ..... we'll be burning logs for decades to come
Chef
LE
Having said it's more expensive than gas/electric for house heating the article goes on to say
Wood burners more costly for heating than gas boilers, study finds
Charity says research dispels myth that wood burning, which has health risks, is a cheaper energy optionwww.theguardian.com
Rachel Pidgeon, of the charity Impact on Urban Health, which focuses on health inequalities in cities and which funded the study, said air pollution from wood burning in the UK had doubled over the past decade, with serious consequences for people’s health.
'There was a 40% increase in sales of wood burners between 2021 and 2022. Research shows that more affluent people, attracted by the aesthetic appeal of a fire, are driving that increase.'
So being bought by people who can afford it rather than council house tenants looking to cut costs.
Wood burners more costly for heating than gas boilers, study finds
Charity says research dispels myth that wood burning, which has health risks, is a cheaper energy option
Rachel Pidgeon, of the charity Impact on Urban Health, which focuses on health inequalities in cities and which funded the study, said air pollution from wood burning in the UK had doubled over the past decade, with serious consequences for people’s health.
Sadiq Khan 'misled public' about Ulez benefits
Draft report reveals advertising watchdog is set to criticise TfL for 'misleading' claims about extent Ulez expansion reduced pollution
www.telegraph.co.uk
They are all at it.
Chef
LE
Money to be made. 'Nuff said,Sadiq Khan 'misled public' about Ulez benefits
Draft report reveals advertising watchdog is set to criticise TfL for 'misleading' claims about extent Ulez expansion reduced pollution
They are all at it.
Having fitted a wood burner for a customer recently I have learnt this.Well, if they are burning unseasoned wood and rubbish, they'll probably fail to sweep their chimneys and will have a house on fire .
Always a brightside
If you need to sweep your chimney, that causes other problems down the road as a liner should really be installed. It could become a sticking point if there isn't one when the house is sold.
It's not law, however a reputable, registered wood burner fitter will not fit one without a liner and if you are fitting it yourself, building control wont sign off on it until one is fitted. Of course you can fit a stove without a liner and without informing building control, but again, without a certificate, selling the property later will be an issue.
We are not registered fitters, but we had a chimney sweep in (certificate given) and building control inspection (certificate given.)
It's an expensive outlay.
Equinox
LE
We had a reputable fitter come in and take out an old gas lookalike range from the inglenook and he fitted a liner along with the new multifuel burner we put in. We'd initially thought this place was 1800s but turns out it is older, being the original farmhouse for the village, with 3 foot thick walls and not one straight wall or floor. One day when we have time, we'll find out some more.
That's all very true and you're right. Fitting a log burner without a chimney liner or flue is a waste of time, especially if it's an ancient chimney that is just a big void and could be a metre square in places.
You'll know that 5 or 6 metres of 100 or 150 mm stainless steel pipe isn't cheap but buyers really do need to factor in that cost when buying a log burner. To get any sort of decent draw when juggling the air controls is almost impossible without a liner anyway. Letting the smoke and heat go up an unlined conventional chimney makes the tar and condensation out through the brickwork as well and that really is unsightly and a bugger to get rid of.
As far as fuel goes, as long as the timber is dry and seasoned properly the carbon taken in while the tree is growing should be a nett zero when burnt. There are plenty of commentators wrongly blaming domestic wood smoke for pollution that aren't doing much apart from making a noise and avoiding the bigger scenario.
As an aside, as far as farmers and landowners are concerned, any decent tree contractor will chip all the 'legwood' and send it for biomass or composting. Most foresters now use a chain flail to go over bare woodland ground to send any nutrients from the debris back into the soil so no problem there either.
Sure, having a log burner may be a vanity thing for some but there are plenty of people who rely on them, especially in rural areas.
In my mind the worst thing is the sale of kiln dried logs from the local garage in a net. What was it that powered the kiln in the first place - a flock of tame butterflies gently wafting their wings?
Right, back on my head...
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AfghanAndy
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Charity with an axe to grind produces report backing up what they believe.Wood burners more costly for heating than gas boilers, study finds
Charity says research dispels myth that wood burning, which has health risks, is a cheaper energy option
Rachel Pidgeon, of the charity Impact on Urban Health, which focuses on health inequalities in cities and which funded the study, said air pollution from wood burning in the UK had doubled over the past decade, with serious consequences for people’s health.
Riddle me this.
If you have access to free wood, and can season it, how’s it more expensive than central heating?
I buy 1 metric tonne of smokeless fuel every November. It costs £500.
I burn that coal non stop from November to February. And when I say non stop, I mean non stop. Grate is shaken out on the morning with red hot coals left behind and the fire is banked for the day. Done again when I get back from work and again before night time. It stays on weeks at a time.
After about 1 week, the chimney breasts up stairs are like radiators on full belt.
Cost me £500 last winter in gas alone just for the combi boiler for hot water for the bath and shower. God knows what it would have been like had we had the central heating on. In fact we’re currently in a little battle with our energy provider who wants to up our direct debit payments even though we’re £600 in credit.
Our neighbours are a little less financially well off than us. They coped last year, and this year by burning a load of untreated pallets the husband gets from work in their fire.
We use our fire for out of vanity and necessity.
Our neighbours use it out of necessity.
These health concerns came from a study of air quality in ten the French Alps. The F*cking Alps, which are hardly known as a harmful environment to asthmatic’s.
Don’t use fossil fuels. Use bio fuels.
Bio fuels are bad. Use renewables.
Renewables don’t generate what we need. Use gas.
Gas is bad. Use hydrogen.
Hydrogen is bad. Use windmills.
I can’t help but think that somewhere along the line, the renewables sector who has used huge amounts of taxpayers money, use that and funnel it to the anybody who can put pressure onto forcing us to use their products.
We’ve had it with electric cars, forgetting that some of the biggest issues relating to particulate counts in the atmosphere come from the tyres and the brake pads wearing down.
No doubt somebody with a vested interest in a copper mine will come along and try and ban brakes and tyres soon because only their electronic braking system that doesn’t need brake pads, or expensive to manufacture tyres will solve the problem.
Rockefeller once owned Standard oil. He was able to exert his influence to ensure the safety expensive anti knock chemicals that only he manufactured were allowed to be used in competitors fuels.
Later transpired that his science was b0ll0cks and the off the shelf stuff they wanted to use was just as effective.
Wood burner provides the only heat source in our sitting room, about 32ft x 12ft. Every time I am out walking I aim to come back with some wood, and pieces too heavy to carry I leave at the roadside to pick up when I'm in the car I aim to keep about 2 year's worth in the barn. You are correct, despite all the fallen timber lying about our village, on road verges or across footpaths the garage still sells netted logs.That's all very true and you're right. Fitting a log burner without a chimney liner or flue is a waste of time, especially if it's an ancient chimney that is just a big void and could be a metre square in places.
You'll know that 5 or 6 metres of 100 or 150 mm stainless steel pipe isn't cheap but buyers really do need to factor in that cost when buying a log burner. To get any sort of decent draw when juggling the air controls is almost impossible without a liner anyway. Letting the smoke and heat go up an unlined conventional chimney makes the tar and condensation out through the brickwork as well and that really is unsightly and a bugger to get rid of.
As far as fuel goes, as long as the timber is dry and seasoned properly the carbon taken in while the tree is growing should be a nett zero when burnt. There are plenty of commentators wrongly blaming domestic wood smoke for pollution that aren't doing much apart from making a noise and avoiding the bigger scenario.
As an aside, as far as farmers and landowners are concerned, any decent tree contractor will chip all the 'legwood' and send it for biomass or composting. Most foresters now use a chain flail to go over bare woodland ground to send any nutrients from the debris back into the soil so no problem there either.
Sure, having a log burner may be a vanity thing for some but there are plenty of people who rely on them, especially in rural areas.
In my mind the worst thing is the sale of kiln dried logs from the local garage in a net. What was it that powered the kiln in the first place - a flock of tame butterflies gently wafting their wings?
Right, back on my head...
Tricky1982
LE
We had a 5kw log burner installed earlier this year, only burns kiln dried logs and we had the chimney lined. So far it's costing less than running the gas central heating, which we barely used last year due to silly energy prices resulting in damp and mould in our 1930's build house.
Dan Gleebles
LE
We have a wood burner and there is untold joy in building the perfect log fire.
When it gets bitterly cold and Mrs Gleebles doesn’t stop whining, I may even consider lighting it.
When it gets bitterly cold and Mrs Gleebles doesn’t stop whining, I may even consider lighting it.
I was pleasantly surprised by the Coffee logs Sold for £8 in Tesco
Good heat fast burner and the kettle whistles
I dabble tween coal peat and wood for that satisfying roar/glow
I do miss hexi though it was a good initiator
Good heat fast burner and the kettle whistles
I dabble tween coal peat and wood for that satisfying roar/glow
I do miss hexi though it was a good initiator
