Ban on coal and " wet " wood for use in wood burners and fireplaces

[Old Stab]

The Green lunatics bang on about battery powered cars etc etc to cut down on emissions.

Have they seen the damage Lithium mining does.

"One of the side effects of lithium mining is water pollution: the process of mining can affect local water supplies, potentially poisoning communities. ... The lithium carbonate extraction process harms the soil, and can cause air pollution. There are also concerns around how to recycle"

 

[Oyibo]

The Green lunatics bang on about battery powered cars etc etc to cut down on emissions.

Have they seen the damage Lithium mining does.

"One of the side effects of lithium mining is water pollution: the process of mining can affect local water supplies, potentially poisoning communities. ... The lithium carbonate extraction process harms the soil, and can cause air pollution. There are also concerns around how to recycle"

I've been on a number of copper/cobalt mines - huge environmental damage (and, of course, issues of illegal miners selling direct to Chinese traders). The cobalt is used in batteries for electric cars, cell phones etc.

Nary a squeek about this from the green brigade.

 

[vvaannmmaann]

The Green lunatics bang on about battery powered cars etc etc to cut down on emissions.

Have they seen the damage Lithium mining does.

"One of the side effects of lithium mining is water pollution: the process of mining can affect local water supplies, potentially poisoning communities. ... The lithium carbonate extraction process harms the soil, and can cause air pollution. There are also concerns around how to recycle"

One of the car firms running ads for their electric cars at the moment.The very small print at the bottom says something about "Mileage figures based on lab results, and real world figures may vary depending on individual circumstances"
Aye right.

 

[harrythebastard]

One of the car firms running ads for their electric cars at the moment.The very small print at the bottom says something about "Mileage figures based on lab results, and real world figures may vary depending on individual circumstances"
Aye right.

Yup, 250 ish miles on a full charge for a Renault Zoe or only 150 in the winter if you dare to use the heater.
Can be up to 14 hours for a full 100% charge (some websites say 37 hours from a domestic socket)
We looked at one a few years ago, nothing has changed but the battery range has gone up 40 miles in 8 years, not exactly earth-shattering.

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[single malt]

I looked at the MG ev ZS last week and the salesman admitted that the mileage was subject to road and weather conditions and it was a no from me at this time

 

[Northern_Biff]

The overwhelming thumbs down from me and mine, is the motor way/traffic accident dilemma.
For a minute, suppose we are 50/50 traffic density electric, its summer and you want to go to lakes for the weekend and you'll be on the M6. We'll not even suggest a caravan at this stage.
There is an accident just before the Lancaster services. Accidents still happen with AI and electric vehicles. It's also 28 degrees and you have the rug rats in the back so you need aircon.
You're sat in the traffic unable to go anywhere for lets be fair, three hours....in the sun, not moving, with the aircon on.
No worries, we'll recharge at the next services. You and 3000 other electric vehicles in the same queue think the same thing.
There are, again, lets be fair, 100 charging points at Lancaster.
Now switch that to a winter scenario.

Ecoloons are hilarious.

 

[harrythebastard]

I looked at the MG ev ZS last week and the salesman admitted that the mileage was subject to road and weather conditions and it was a no from me at this time

Even their own website says up to 163 miles on a single charge.
City range of 231 miles, unless, again, you put the heater on apparently.
It all depends on your lifestyle I suppose but we are many years away from decent battery technology giving what most people would consider as acceptable in comparison to diesel or petrol.
If I lived in a city I could possibly be considering an electric vehicle in the future, but why lob out £23,000+ when public transport or a pushbike would do?
Something like this would do if we were still in London to do shopping or bulky stuff.

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I think I will wait out for decent battery range on an electric jam-jar.

 

[Northern_Biff]

Even their own website says up to 163 miles on a single charge.
City range of 231 miles, unless, again, you put the heater on apparently.
It all depends on your lifestyle I suppose but we are many years away from decent battery technology giving what most people would consider as acceptable in comparison to diesel or petrol.
If I lived in a city I could possibly be considering an electric vehicle in the future, but why lob out £23,000+ when public transport or a pushbike would do?
Something like this would do if we were still in London to do shopping or bulky stuff.

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I think I will wait out for decent battery range on an electric jam-jar.

For me, and I don't understand exactly why, the governments overwhelming aim here is to move us all on to public transport.
Fantastic.
What will replace the fuel and road tax revenue individual transport provides?
Some idiot isn't thinking this through.

 

[Tool]

For me, and I don't understand exactly why, the governments overwhelming aim here is to move us all on to public transport.
Fantastic.
What will replace the fuel and road tax revenue individual transport provides?
Some idiot isn't thinking this through.

You've answered your own question - once public transport becomes the norm, it'll be taxed more.

 

[Tool]

Yup, 250 ish miles on a full charge for a Renault Zoe or only 150 in the winter if you dare to use the heater.
Can be up to 14 hours for a full 100% charge (some websites say 37 hours from a domestic socket)
We looked at one a few years ago, nothing has changed but the battery range has gone up 40 miles in 8 years, not exactly earth-shattering.

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We looked at a "pure" electric (HiD is intent on getting one). The range and time to charge were deal breakers. We've had three hybrids - one diesel/electric, two petrol/electric ("self-chargers"). I guess about 15% more range on the open road for the hybrids than pure petrol, not sure about in town, even using air con and heated seats in winter.

 

[Northern_Biff]

You've answered your own question - once public transport becomes the norm, it'll be taxed more.

If that is the idea, they will never recover the road and duty tax they currently enjoy.

 

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So it’s just a revenue generator plan. Same as diesel is now the bogeyman, after previously heralded as more eco than petrol.
Sod all to do with environment.

 

[vvaannmmaann]

A rerun of Top Gear the other night.Clarkson and May in electric cars.Obvious problem with batteries running low.They mentioned ,perhaps as a joke, that the fun fair dodgem cars may have the answer.
Perhaps they were actually onto something...

 

[ExREME.TECH]

Wood burners more costly for heating than gas boilers, study finds

Charity says research dispels myth that wood burning, which has health risks, is a cheaper energy option

www.theguardian.com

Rachel Pidgeon, of the charity Impact on Urban Health, which focuses on health inequalities in cities and which funded the study, said air pollution from wood burning in the UK had doubled over the past decade, with serious consequences for people’s health.

 

[lokiuk]

If you're in a rural location, and reliant on oil and electric for heating

Wood burners make a good backup, and when oil and electric increase in price a lot, you can always burn some wood you keep in storage

Keeping topping up with wood you find out and about and you have more options

They can ban the sale of wood, but they'd have to ban trees to stop wood burning completely