Ban French Chicken Imports NOW

#1
Remember BSE Jacques?. The Government should ban all French Bird products NOW. I know theres a very good chance that we'll get this HN51 soon, but we have the opportunity to make a political statement. Not a chance of it happening though.
 
#3
Horse bolted, stable door well ajar

If H5N1 isn't already in the wild bird population in UK then it will be within a month, as the migrating birds move north from Southern Europe.

After France ,we are the biggest bird livestock producer in Europe.We should already have measures in place to help contain the outbreak WHEN and not if it comes.
I'm sure we all remember the Foot & Mouth outbreak , this has the potential to totally eclipse that.
DOOOM DOOOM, we're alll DOOOOOMED!!!!!!!!!!! :D :wink:
 
#4
I don't think we need to stoop their level. Although steps should be taken NOW to combat this problem. When it hit Turkey it was only a matter of time before it got in to Europe. With two confirmed cases in Germany, its crossover to France is only a matter of time. It would be nice for the government to preempt a crisis for once.
 
#5
Why on earth do we need to import chicken? its not as if we cant produce them ourselves. I'm a great believer in keeping "food miles" to a minimum, and wherever possible, buying my food from local suppliers.
Apologies Guru for momentarily diverting the thread, but this is where I buy my produce.
http://www.pfo-shop.co.uk/
www.pfo-shop.co.uk
www.pfo-shop.co.uk

Great food, a clear conscience, and two fingers to the French. :D
 
#6
I am now a full-on food hippy. I buy all my meat from my local butcher who can tell me axactly where it's come from. It's all British and (apart from the excellent Scottish beef) all very local to where I live.
 
#7
Butchers here in Scotland only buy locally. The farm from which the meat comes is identified at point of sale. Chatting to locals in pub in our little village means they can almost tell us which corner of which field. Local pride ensures meat is properly prepared over a period of time and is really first class stuff. I refuse to even look at supermarket meat which is generally butchered and on sale within three or four days.
If you look around and see just how many chicken products there are in ready meal form, it is understandable why we import chicken. I cannot see how we will escape bird flu. The Govt is making brave noises but I suspect it will go the way of their other agricultural and farming probllems - badly!
 
#9
I am assured that Singapore will shut it's self off the Moment Malaysia admits a full scale outbreak and that Aussei will give it's overseas citizen two days to get home then the shutters come down for the duration.
john
 
#11
jonwilly said:
I am assured that Singapore will shut it's self off the Moment Malaysia admits a full scale outbreak and that Aussei will give it's overseas citizen two days to get home then the shutters come down for the duration.
john
The Singapore and Australian Governments might like to do that but it is entirely impractical. 'The duration' you mention could be months or years. Indeed the Bird flu that has affected Vietnam, Thailand, Cambodia, etc has not stopped the flow of people nor goods (other than poultry) between our nations.

Other than culling flocks of poultry the only way of containing the human variant, at this stage is with medical isolation as and when cases occur. Should the variant evolve further to the point where it can be transmitted human to human, then we may see seriously dramatic action.
 
#12
Hmmm
From what the CDC is saying here, the Duration will be a while.
Assuming the first case is located on Day one of the scenario . A City like Seatle (about a million inhabitants?) will face the following issues (sorry this is from Memory) Hospital Beds (total) are 2,0000(ish) and Not all these are Intensive Care.
Within a Month 3,000 people per day will be going down, and need Hospital care of the Intensive Care variety. The outbreak will Peak at day 88. At that point the outbreak will be bringing in around 12,000 cases PER DAY. It will take about the same amount of time to abate.
That means around about 6 months will be needed for it to sweep through the Population.
The implicit "rules" will be to provide NO medical care for elderly, smokers, people with compromised respitory systems (Astma). The rest will get what is likely to be ineffectual medical care, although the CDC did not make this point explicit.

The CDC did not mention publically what mortality rates were likely to be, however you do not need the brains of an Archbishop to see that large numbers will die.
I have heared that the mortality rate, without the hospitals being overwhelmed, is 80 to 90%. Even if lower than this, the potential mortality rate is something over that of the infamous Black Death of the 14th Century.
Scares the Pooh out of me when I contemplate this one and killing a Few million chickens will do what?
 
#13
Birdey I got that from a serious source who has knowledge on the matter.
As a resident you will of all board members know how paranoid the Aussy state is on Animal and Plant import matters.
It is "amazing" that Malaysia is not reporting cases, as I have mentioned in other posts Governments do not tell the truth in this part of the world they are down right bare faced liers, and we have just had the main tourist season. No gov would ruin this years season by telling the truth especially after last years disasterous Tsunami.
Get ya Tinnys in and prepare to bunker down for the duration
john
its cumming to a place near you & moi.
 
#14
Ban is a very dangerous tool. Listen to 'The Voice of America'

http://www.voanews.com/specialenglish/archive/2002-05/a-2002-05-06-1-1.cfm

American agriculture is recovering from a Russian ban on chicken imports from the United States. The Russian government ended its month-long ban on American chicken and other poultry products last month. Yet the effects of the trade ban continue to affect American farmers and the American meat industry.
...
Russian officials announced the import ban in early March. They said American poultry processing centers were not clean. They also objected to the poultry being fed antibiotic drugs and other chemicals.
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For weeks, American officials negotiated with the Russian government to end the ban on poultry imports. Mister Bush even called Russian leader Vladimir Putin to urge an end to the dispute. In late March, the two sides signed an agreement. Russia agreed to end the ban on imports from all but four American states. Russian inspectors reportedly found diseased chickens from those states.
 
#15
Ah Sergey
American Big Busines is putin the pressure on King George and Valdimir will cum under pressure to take yank chicken. Rather then the proposed Thai Chicken which is being ofered in return for your most valuable SU35 the Thai Airforce has asked for in a barter deal.
Why only last week a senior US admiral was saying that Thailand should consider all it's options before concluding a Chicken for Fighter deal.
john
 
#16
jonwilly said:
Ah Sergey
American Big Busines is putin the pressure on King George and Valdimir will cum under pressure to take yank chicken. Rather then the proposed Thai Chicken which is being ofered in return for your most valuable SU35 the Thai Airforce has asked for in a barter deal.
Why only last week a senior US admiral was saying that Thailand should consider all it's options before concluding a Chicken for Fighter deal.
john
John!

Personally I buy Russian-made cooled chiken breasts (less than $3 per kg). Imported (Brazilian, for example) are frozen.

I remember an interview with American agricultural minister on radio Echo of Moscow that time. He said that there are regions that depends on export to Russia almost on 100% and that the ban caused lowering of prices on meat too. I was surprised how serious problem was created by the ban.

As to Russian jets to Tailand then I fear Washington is unable to propose realistic alternative. Look at Malaysia. They will pay for Russian fighter (partially) by their goods (including coconut butter).

Btw, demand for Russian weapons was significantly boosted by Iraqi war. Taking into account also high oil prices one can suggest that mr.Bush is in fact Russian agent.
 

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