Ballistic Para Helmets, How do i get one pronto???

#1
How do i go about in gettin a gucci ballistic para lid, im the proud owner of a old type para helmet, which is fine but with helmand comin up next year id feel better knowing the helmet i was wearing was ballisticly sound. Any ideas?
 
#2
Try this link:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Genuine-Briti...1QQihZ006QQcategoryZ67580QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

However surely stores will be issuing you with any kit you need. If you elect to buy it on eBay then I would claim for it as misc expenditure and put it on your next months expenses. If quizzed by the pay office then explain that you need it to do your job. Threaten to go public and to the press or a media if they refuse to re-imburse you.

Good luck
 
#3
If you want a ballistically sound helmet then why don't you wear the MK6 or MK7 you're issued? If you joined the Paras in the first place you'd be issued a kevlar para helmet!!! :wink:
 
#5
I think you'll find that the Para helmets provide about as much ballistic protection as a floppy hat. Wonder why they are banned in Iraq? By the time you get out here you should be getting the new Mk6a helmet which provides about 40% better protection than the current Mk6 and is a damn sight more comfortable. Don't waste your money - wait to be issued the kit.

At the end of the day if something happened, you'll be compensated if you were wearing issued kit, but if you were wearing privately purchased stuff you're likely to be given the big foxtrot oscar. Hence all the guys in my company are now wearing the issued sunglasses out on patrol as they provide ballistic protection to the eyes unlike the $5 Wiley X's from the bazaar...
 
#6
Kevlar para helmets provide enough protection. Do you really think the MOD would issue them to airborne forces if they weren't up to the job? Granted, the MK6A provides more ballistic protection but protection isn't the be all end all at the end of the day. If it was we'd all be patrolling in ATO suits! I don't know why they are banned in Iraq but they're certainly not banned in Afghanistan where there are ten times as many contacts on a daily basis at present!
 
#7
Just veering off topic slightly

Has anybody actually got any real examples of someone having an injury claim thrown out due to not wearing issue kit or is this just the standard BS line tossed out to counter individual kit purchases/upgrades, (and I do mean upgrades, there is civvy kit better than issue kit out there)

Answers on a postcard
 
#8
There was a directive on Telic 7 stating that para helmets were NOT to be worn on patrol and the 'standard' helmet was issued. Come to think of it when was the last time the Para's parachuted into Iraq? Is it likely they will whilst they were/are there - NO. So why wear a jump lid?
 
#9
Zingari said:
There was a directive on Telic 7 stating that para helmets were NOT to be worn on patrol and the 'standard' helmet was issued. Come to think of it when was the last time the Para's parachuted into Iraq? Is it likely they will whilst they were/are there - NO. So why wear a jump lid?
Quite a few directives issued by those above make little sense to the man on the ground. Para Helmets are not worn just for parachuting either. They are issued to us and they are lighter and much more comfortable then the MK6 and do provide ballistic protection; that's why we wear them! Considering we've spearheaded nearly every operation since the Falklands conflict wearing para helmets they can't be that bad! Why does it bother you anyway?
 
#10
I had one, Kevlar but it had the old WW2 type Chinstraps that were adjusted by unscrewing bolts
 
#11
Hats like a bit of uniformity Fallschirmjager

And they have feck all else to think about, please see Bagpipe HSE nonsense thread
 
#13
Do you really think the MOD would issue them to airborne forces if they weren't up to the job?[/quote] G

You been out in the sun too long if you belive that ? :D
What ever the truth about its abilities a lot of people have seen documents saying you cant wear para helmets .So join the paras or wear whats issused .
 
#14
woody said:
What ever the truth about its abilities a lot of people have seen documents saying you cant wear para helmets.
What documents, what people and exactly who can't wear them???? :roll:

woody said:
So join the paras or wear whats issused
I am in the Parachute Regiment so i do wear what is issued, that being a Para helmet!!! :wink:
 
#15
Fallschirmjager,

There are plenty of documents that I saw on Telic 7, 2 PARA had to switch but after much gripeing switch they did, the increased protection offered by the Mk6A was deemed necessary whilst on mobile patrol. I can understand the increased reluctance to bin the PARA helmet on Herrick due to the more foot based light/medium weapon system contacts but it's only a matter of time before the MOD get rolling and put a complete ban in place.
I guess you will be able to keep your P Helmet for jumps, because they will only ever be in peacetime training never Ops.
 
#16
Its all a question of duty of care - once a directive has been given the litigation fuse has been lit. You may choose to ignore it (thereby disobeying orders) but under H&S Legislation (the army is not exempt) senior officers will fall foul if they 'turn a blind eye'. Whatever you wear it must be fit for purpose only the spec sheets for both helmets will decide.

For info helmets (and kevlar) has a shelf life after which point it should be destroyed.
 
#18
slippersapper said:
Fallschirmjager,

There are plenty of documents that I saw on Telic 7, 2 PARA had to switch but after much gripeing switch they did, the increased protection offered by the Mk6A was deemed necessary whilst on mobile patrol. I can understand the increased reluctance to bin the PARA helmet on Herrick due to the more foot based light/medium weapon system contacts but it's only a matter of time before the MOD get rolling and put a complete ban in place.
I guess you will be able to keep your P Helmet for jumps, because they will only ever be in peacetime training never Ops.
Red rag to a bull? :D :D :D
 
#19
So what if we never jump on operations. I personnaly couldn't give a toss! Being in the Parachute Regiment is about being elite infantry soldiers by far the best in the British Army, not about parachuting. We are always chosen to spearhead operations. Why do you think that is? Let's hear your cracking replies! 8)
 
#20
If memory serves me, didn't a 3 Para trooper take a 5.56 into the back of his P Helmet in Belize during CQB training. Round was deflected round the inside of the helmet and exited the front thus proving the ballistic protection? (Either that or the ballistic protection of an airborne skull).
 

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