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I heard that out of the applicants that turned up(Op Oculus) only a few were selected because most people didn't pass BPFA,WHT ect.
Has it always been so stringent or is this an indication of things to come next year?Duty rumour is vacancies will be filled by regs.
 
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frenchie said:
I heard that out of the applicants that turned up(Op Oculus) only a few were selected because most people didn't pass BPFA,WHT ect.
Has it always been so stringent or is this an indication of things to come next year?Duty rumour is vacancies will be filled by regs.
Heavens to Betsy! You mean that people are being turned away because they cannot achieve the most basic standards required? Yes, that is stringent, usually anyone that stumbles in off the street with an X chromosome and a pulse gets bundled off on ops.

But perhaps your duty rumour is right - it makes perfect sense to put a reg into a res LSN as there is a huge pool of these just drooling at the gates of Brize to get one of those plum TA jobs.

Or are you just taking the pi**
 
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lol that did sound bad, just that people seem to be surprised when these things happen so I got the impression that people perhaps got through in the past, I'm here to be corrected!
 
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I also need to highlight that the applicants don't need to pass their CFT,BPFAWHT,ect till they go to Chillwell,so a fair few months to improve their standard. I don't disagree with what your saying, I just want to know if this has always been the case.
 
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From my sources, at the last Op Oculus selection weekend held by 37 Sigs, only 11 .... yes, 11 .... TA personnel passed 'green' on their BPFA, 11 more were 'amber' and the rest failed.

Fitness is like hygene ... if you don't wash, you stink! Ergo, if you don't train, you'll fail - not only your troop/squadron/regiment and/or Corps/Arm but, importantly, yourself. If you've stepped up to the line and taken the Queen's shilling, you should be trying, at the very least, to maintain the basic level of fitness or what is the point?
 
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I think a lot of people didn't pass because they didn't have the right skills. Fitness is a big aspect but also you need the skills to do the job when you are there. Some of the jobs were quite technical, so it narrowed the selection quite a but. If you were selected, it should also give you a spirt to get fit, to pass at chilwell.
 
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That would be very frustrating for a lot of soldiers then. I listened to the Radio 5 programme about TA soldiers leaving in large numbers. If the army is prepared to turn away volunteers for mobilisation, no wonder so many leave. What is the 'thing' with fitness for Boznia, after all, you only do your only personal fizz out there (allegedly) and very little mil skills.
 
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There are several types of fitness but only one true definition - the degree to which an organism is fitted, or adapted, to its environment and other organisms. Higher fitness means superior ability to survive and reproduce. So basically, if you are a soldier you need to be fit enough to do your job and survive in a hostile environment for long periods. We have new recruits at present who have no fitness and no embarrassment at that fact. Get out on the road and train you lazy b'stards.
 
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WHT'S yeah, but isn't a BPFA just an assesment? it's not a pass or fail test, although if your seriously unfit then you can understand the desicion....I've seen plenty of, shall we say, overweight guys go out on ops who aren't the fittest, infact, did 1.5 miles in something like 20 mins...I guess it varies...

Still, like has been said above, especially for Infantiers, if your unfit and can't be bothered to rectify it, then I suggest your part of the wrong organisation...
 
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KINGO said:
WHT'S yeah, but isn't a BPFA just an assesment? it's not a pass or fail test, although if your seriously unfit then you can understand the desicion....I've seen plenty of, shall we say, overweight guys go out on ops who aren't the fittest, infact, did 1.5 miles in something like 20 mins...I guess it varies...

Still, like has been said above, especially for Infantiers, if your unfit and can't be bothered to rectify it, then I suggest your part of the wrong organisation...
What is the 'thing' with fitness for Boznia, after all, you only do your only personal fizz out there (allegedly) and very little mil skills.

I came back from Bosnia at the end of September this year. The reason phys is so important and a necessity that you pass atleast your BPFA is that it plays such a significant role in your acclimatization. The more unfit you are the more prone you will be to illnesses related to acclimatizing. There were PT sessions three times a week and don't be suprised if you find yourself tabbing 8 miles around Banja Luka or Manjaka.
Good luck with your tour folks! If you are based in Sarajevo or have the chance to go down take it as it is a beautiful city. There is one extremely nice restaurant called 'The Brewery' which i would reccomend to anyone.
 
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My apologies about my last post. The quote is wrong (im new to this site and an not sure how to use it yet properly) it was meaning to quote bobos, 'What is the 'thing' with fitness for Boznia, after all, you only do your only personal fizz out there (allegedly) and very little mil skills.'
 
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Captain_Sensible said:
My apologies about my last post. The quote is wrong (im new to this site and an not sure how to use it yet properly) it was meaning to quote bobos, 'What is the 'thing' with fitness for Boznia, after all, you only do your only personal fizz out there (allegedly) and very little mil skills.'
I totally agree with Capt Sensible, that there must be a level of fizz, but according to 'The Frenchie', a large number failed their BPFA on the Boz assessment. Duz that not tell the head sheds something ?.

I would have thought that given the current state of the TA, that efforts would be made to help as many of those willing volunteers as possible, to get fit. It is a hard job balancing family life, TA, social life, DIY, other spare-time activities, plus all the unaccounted TA time that I am sure we all spend doing, AND trying to get fit.
 
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Well, i went to this 97 Sqn wkend, and found out that if your mate is the YoS, and you wear a skirt, you can get the best job.
Lookin at the people there, we had a wide range of skills, even a REME Craftsman turned up. After lookin at the ORBAT for 97 Sqn, they have cut down on the numbers of people for each job and department, as of previous tours. After thinking it over, im kinda glad im not going now, as im sure i would end up losing my temper with the mongs that were going.
I was informed by letter that i wasnt selected, and it was signed by sum Adj ive not even met before. So ive made inquires to CVHQ and asked to go out to iraq, hope there are sum of the 97 Sqn people there at chillwell, so i can put them to shame, " You wouldnt let me go out to Bosnia, so im going out to Iraq in stead".
Thats all for now.
 
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frenchie said:
I heard that out of the applicants that turned up(Op Oculus) only a few were selected because most people didn't pass BPFA,WHT ect.
Has it always been so stringent or is this an indication of things to come next year?Duty rumour is vacancies will be filled by regs.
Errr, soldier = fit. :roll:

Like say,

footballer = fit and stupid
rugby player = fit and large
prime minister = schizophrenic
bus driver = has a PSV licence
dog owner = like dogs
Kathy West = great t*ts

it sort of goes with the territory doesn't it - I'm aghast that anyone would think otherwise.

As for Bosnia - there was a fab gym there last time I looked and there are plenty of runs areound the MF...and it'll be hot by the time 97 get there (not as hot as Telic though).

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The gym just by the main gate is still there! We were deprived of our rights to run out of camp due to a few alcohol related incidents.....we were dry all tour appart from 2 weeks thanks to people falling off bikes and breaking arms, wrapping landrovers around trees near Manjaka and windows being broken around camp. There was boxing, football, badminton and hockey all inside the metal factory to keep us busy however.
 
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bobos said:
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I would have thought that given the current state of the TA, that efforts would be made to help as many of those willing volunteers as possible, to get fit. It is a hard job balancing family life, TA, social life, DIY, other spare-time activities, plus all the unaccounted TA time that I am sure we all spend doing, AND trying to get fit.

That is the reason Comd 2 Sig Bde authorised the 1/4 days pay for gym attendence. A great idea if the unfit take it up. My last unit CFT only a couple of people failed - all either Chefs or AGC. - but lets be honest, corps TA CFT ( 15kg, 4 miles an hour) is hardly a great stretch.

As others have posted - there are some fat knackers out there who should take a long look at themselves - and when they have recovered from the nausea - turn square to the right and RESIGN. ( same goes for the regs. My last Reg unit featured a "Mess Waiter" and a "Training Wing Cpl" , among others, who could have auditioned for a role as body doubles in the telly tubbies. Due to the manning problems of the unit they were allowed to soldier on, with only vague attempts to get their fitness sorted.
 
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